ToothyMaw

Are you saying that the meta-axioms wouldn't need to be run through the consensus process or that my previous post doesn't work?

Essentially: if one is looking to root out irrationality then that works, but yes, the reformer that wants to make moral proclamations still presents ...

Consensus would still be relevant in order to have objective standards for morality. The meta-axioms would need to be run through the consensus findin...

I guess one might say that certain moral axioms come from consensus and then are amalgamated via rational discourse to create ever more complex or bro...

Could you giver me some examples of other moral metrics that can accomplish the same things better? I don't doubt they exist.

Well, it is functional in the sense that most people's intuitive senses of what is right and wrong would often win out, while also making room for the...

Utility meaning pleasure or happiness? Or utility meaning how functional something is?

I'm proposing making a subjective consensus can then be used as an objective standard insofar as multiple cultures are concerned, not objective axioms...

Sorry fir the snide thumbs up. I think you're great, Fool. This will have to wait until tomorrow. Sorry. But I'll definitely get back to it.

You say that abiding by the consensus of the majority is fallacious and then claim that something is true because a rule that proposes something is ob...

Yes, correct about the consensus bit. And I want to avoid cultural relativism, not all forms of relativism. And I think that using the consensus of al...

This is going to take some time and thought. I'm thinking my theoretical definition of morality is "what is considered good behavior for most humans s...

But, furthermore, once the consensus is taken, via the process I described, it can be used to make objective moral "measurements" anywhere you find hu...

Slavery would only be justified if one disregarded the views of the slaves. You fall prey to the same objection that Ignoro just laid out. Additionall...

Yes, good point. There is an element of temporal relativism. But any change isolated within singular cultures over time does not represent cultural re...

There are certain cultural practices that are barbaric to me, such as female genital mutilation, that with cultural relativism I cannot condemn, and t...

I think I disagree with the idea that free will presupposes ethics; in any given moment, confronted with a situation that allows a "choice", there is ...

I think it can be shown that any morality the atheist might take up is subjective within the framework of DCT: DCT makes two important claims: Claim o...

Just realized something: revelation, if it exists, would be objective under divine command theory, and, thus, would exist as fact regardless of whethe...

I never claimed that people of color are more or less likely to use marijuana. I only claim that they are disproportionately affected by the criminali...

Surely you have more to say about it than that? The hostility is irrelevant to what we were discussing.

Good one. Made me belly-laugh.

I think this is a big deal: the more people of color are arrested and charged for minor crimes, it seems to me, the more it seems crime is rampant, an...

@"batsushi7" English must not be your first language. I guess what is considered a crime is relative to culture, yes, but that has little to do with w...

You make a good point I think. However, it is still true that what murder is to one person in terms of abortion, is merely pruning a plant to another....

Why is it, then, that far more atheists and humanists support abortion, for example? If polled on a series of issues atheists and humanists answer dif...

I believe that more than just religion prevents one from living a life of crime; after all, atheists and humanists are no more likely to commit seriou...

So I take it you would include people like Cornell West and Nina Turner in this group? Not only are they genuine, they advocate for policies that woul...

If it is the case that I just haven't read enough about this please point me to the appropriate literature; I'm very interested in this stuff atm.

Why would one's own personal growth affect another person's personal growth? When you grow in the process of supporting a universal good I don't see h...

@"Tzeentch" I think you are trying to obfuscate the issue; it is without a doubt true that every reasonable person holds the necessary assumptions to ...

I am saying that certain policies will objectively increase people's opportunities and wellbeing, such as attempts to avoid climate catastrophe; anyon...

I would sooner put my lot in with academia and research than with the common person. After all, Trump got elected. That says a lot. That being said, t...

Yeah that's great and all but that's just how you feel it seems. Can you cite research or a study that says that all governments are plutocracies? Wha...

Good point. But what about those who can't leave and feel like the government has been failing them? Non-violent protest? And if someone who voted in ...

Yeah I know and it is messed up. I don't give a crap if people hate me for saying something, but I'm just a little guy with nothing to lose. Free spee...

Check out this study: https://www.eiu.com/topic/democracy-index Maybe the US government isn't as corrupt and backwards as it seems. That being said, "...

According to a study I found there are some full democracies: https://www.eiu.com/topic/democracy-index For instance, many of the European democracies...

I remember hearing about the study that showed that the US is an oligarchy. Despite this, I think we can still salvage our country however through the...

I probably shouldn't be serial commenting on my own thread but this is a new cohesive thought: one might argue that racist policies are so entrenched ...

I am inclined to agree. Those who support the violence seem to not even have any real policy positions either. It's just burn it all down as far as I ...

I should add that I have seen people openly endorsing violence and sympathizing with rioters on facebook. They just don't get censored because they ar...

Oh jeeze. I hope it had nothing to do with my thread.

One of my favorite quotes

lmao. Yeah it bothers the crap out of me but it's necessary sometimes. Like Slavoj Zizek says: it is precisely if there is god, that everything is per...

Yeah I know it's a crap theory, I'm just presenting something from the point of view of someone who subscribes to divine command theory.

Oh yeah I meant moral commands, I think that might have been confusing. Sorry.

I don't prescribe to either, I'm merely attempting to reconcile a claim of amorality within the epistemology of divine command; and I think that divin...

I suppose that if I change it to "doesn't believe in god" then it makes it a lack of belief in revelation instead of a denial; it's more agnostic.

Sorry, had to make an important edit. I should have said in my first post that I'm referring to merely not believing in god.