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Yes Punshhh, you are correct. I have only conceived of enlightenment as a sudden change in personality. I suppose it would be less traumatic if the ch...

I think, its not only desires / social illusions / delusions that need to be broken down - it is indeed personality that needs to be broken down. You ...

Everything is something to somebody, but everything is nothing to nobody.

I'm not sure whether you are seeking validation or answers? It seems to me you have had a very deep insight into your consciousness. I am no expert, b...

The culture you grew up in. Not a dead / live or otherwise universe - a nothing universe - very nice place to be in. The issue of consciousness is wha...

@"runbounder" You seem to be reflecting on the difficulties of your consciousness. I would suggest you will not find solutions by fixating on its deta...

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Thanks for the link. It seems we live in a virtual reality:smile: You might be interested in this I haven't read him, but from the blurb it seems on t...

This is very insightful, is this your idea?

I think the minimum you need for consciousness is intelligence and memory. Or CPU and RAM, and algorithm. The latest AI is self learning and programmi...

@"Pantagruel" I'm a bit uncomfortable with esoteric stuff also, but I've independently formed a conception of consciousness,which I'm fairly confident...

Brett, If you do not mind me suggesting, you are describing your consciousnesses. Consciousness is a creator of reality - what we perceive reality to ...

I'm saying its all about consciousness. Principles, beauty, creativity, aesthetics being sub facets of consciousness. I'm not saying there are better ...

Brett put it well: Art is humanities expression of itself. Art gives us insight into the artist, Art is a concrete manifestation of human thought – a ...

But, perhaps the closer we get to consciousness center, the more chance we have of cooperation?

Of course all humanity has to do this too - we are some ways off this :cry:

I think consciousness can defeat the problem of subgroup, competition, etc. It is why I'm interested in it. The ultimate goal seems to be a letting go...

Yes I think for consciousness - as an abstract concept - improving oneself would result in a self interested outcome - that would mostly impinge on an...

Improving oneself requires a letting go. In this world however , you then fall prey to the action of others?

I'd say humanity.

Yes,that is a very good point. Absolutely we must try our best.

I think what you say is very wise. It all boils down to consciousness. But, in my mind, there is a problem there. Consciousness seems to be self inter...

Shakespeare wrote something like - "art is a mirror to nature". Perhaps he meant Human nature? That something is art is arbitrarily deemed.It becomes ...

Thanks Brett, but I think its yours also now - you have taken it to places I never thought of :grin:

Yeah, who knows? Do you mind If i quote you outside of this forum ? I'm putting together a web site, and I really like the above post.

What I really like is you have extrapolated on it in ways I haven't thought of

You would not believe how big a smile I have on my face for you :rofl:

Thanks Brett, Its been a pleasure chatting.

Yes that is near enough

Art is an expression of human consciousness, art works are information about the artist's consciousness ( including the subconscious )

To disprove the definition I've proposed you need only produce one work of art that is not contained by it. If you cant do that, then perhaps you shou...

Everybody. I believe, we all have a different personally constructed definition of art. It reflects the height of our consciousness. And is very dear ...

How can you discuss art without a definition? What are you discussing?

I understand taking a walk as an expression of human consciousness and where one chooses to walk as information about the walker's consciousness. Walk...

Punshhh my understanding of consciousness is very basic. There are people in this forum who's insights are far far deeper. It may be that a little kno...

I believe We cant say with certainty what art will be, because it is free to be whatever it wants to be, and in future it will be things we haven't co...

Art has no limits except the limits of our mind. Our mind can be called consciousness.

Art is telling us lots of things - it is free to tell us whatever it wants- whatever can reside in the mind. But human art will never tell us anything...

Language / information -- art is telling us things. I label it as information because recent developments in theoretical physics reduce everything dow...

I dont mean you personally Brett, I mean generally.

I agree with all that you say, but focus on detail is not the way to understand art. I've spent many years pondering art from the perspective of aesth...

The resultant product of the mind is unified, but influenced by many things

I'm not sure what you are trying to convey? I believe the subconscious operates on the conscious - it has an effect on the conscious mind. The result ...

My bad. When I say consciousness I meant also the subconscious - I believe subconsciousness is a function of biology,and psychopathology, which skews ...

One flawed personality ( consciousness) looking at another flawed personality ( consciousness ) why are they doing it? Consiousness is a personal cons...

The artist and the viewer are peers. They are equal. It is one consciousness interpreting another consciousness

How can we grasp something that is out of reach? Once we grasp it it is in reach - we become conscious of it.

Art can be anything that you can think of, but it cant be anything that you cant think of

What consciousness is, is perhaps moot. I posted a long explanation of what I believe it to be.But whatever humanity can be is resolved in the mind - ...

Punshhh I wasn't meaning to say you were. This form of communication is fraught with peril. there is so much misunderstanding. I enjoy your thoughtful...