I think that is a reasonable answer. I agree with it. But maybe the example was a bit too easy. What about the colour of an object? Touch does not hel...
Yes, it is a relative example. It is a relative objective example. Your own example I quote below is an example of a relative objective statement. You...
You misunderstood me. I did not ask for your position, but the reason why you have this position. Why do you think that beauty is a mere feeling of th...
You bring a good point, but yet I think we can still think without using words or images, or imagining any other containers. Think of the concept of '...
I agree that some media or containers are better suited to convey specific types of information, much like it is better to use a picture than to descr...
So you don't seem to buy into my Relative-Objective test. In which case, how do you yourself claim that such a property as 'beauty' is only a feeling ...
Then how would you test if a property is objective or not? Otherwise, do you agree with the following example? Some people may not find snow to be tha...
I agree that with no container, there is no information. But as I have previously stated, it does not follow that the container is an essential proper...
I honestly don't see a difference between your definition and mine. Regardless, under this definition, it is coherent to use the word 'subjective' whe...
Hello. I see a contradiction between these two statements. If humans have no "moral" (I think you mean ontological) value, then your argument in the f...
Free will. God gave to some of his creatures, namely men and angels, the power of free will. I think it is logically contradictory to give a creature ...
I want to summarize what I learned so far on the original post, including the arguments and counter-arguments. (1) The original post serves to demonst...
I too read this as saying that each particular thing has a particular form associated to it. But I could be misreading it, because my understanding is...
Yes, that is all correct. So subjective means a feeling in the subject when observing the object. And the feeling is itself objective to the subject. ...
I think you are correct about not all concepts coming from outside the mind. Just because I have a concept of a unicorn, it does not follow that unico...
Our concepts can be compared if we find their essential properties, based on our implicit knowledge of them. E.g. my concept of triangle-ness has the ...
I thought we agreed that the input cannot come from the same place as the output, and that we cannot conceive simple concepts we have not yet observed...
This might be what happens in practice, but in theory, we are aiming to find properties that exist in things in themselves, even if unachievable. Rega...
I think we are very close to reaching an agreement. By "nothing has beauty in itself", I mean it in the sense that nothing is beautiful in itself; not...
First let's clarify a few things, just in case there is a misunderstanding with these. 1. Words are not concepts. Words point to concepts. Words are m...
To answer you question directly, I too think 'beauty' is just a feeling. That is a consequence of it being subjective (which we assumed). This also me...
Unless I misunderstood what you said, I think I agree with you that just because we agree on the meaning of the concept 'wet', it does not follow that...
By projecting beauty onto the painting, I just mean that I, the subject, get a sensation or feeling of beauty when observing the painting, which is al...
Actually, the fact that some things are wet and some are not, is sufficient to prove that wetness has essential properties, as so: Properties of a con...
You are making an error. To say "the painting is beautiful" is not the same as to say "I feel the painting is beautiful". In the first statement, the ...
Yeah you're right; my bad. I have changed my last post to assume that 'beauty' is subjective. My point was not to focus on how to prove if a thing is ...
I see your point, Mr. Hindu. Let me try again to describe the difference between an objective and subjective property. A property is objective if it i...
I aim to reductio ad absurdum this one. If omnipotence is capable of creating nonsense, then this omnipotent being may both exist and not exist, may b...
Actually, I agree that the abstraction is likely in the mind. Just not the input. My point was that concepts are abstracted from outside of the mind t...
In theory here are the criteria: a property is objective if it is attributed to the object; and subjective if it is attributed to the subject. In prac...
Where did Gandhi say that? Also I thought last time was your last comment on this. ;) It sounds like you want a reason to believe that logical contrad...
They are like triangles, and it might be a useful description in everyday talk, but they are not triangles. Similar to an egg being like a sphere or c...
When one is talking, the content of the talk is not necessarily about talking. Ironically, we are talking about talking right now, but we could be tal...
Because abstraction is a process, from A to B, from input to output. Yes, the output is in the mind, and so could be the process; but the input is not...
Sorry for the long wait on this. I am intrigued about this definition of 'good'. Does it follow that if there is no goal, then there is no good? What ...
I may not have the last word, but I am claiming the title of posting the 500th comment. I declare myself above the rest of you until the 1000th poster...
I agree with everything you say (some of it is actually quite insightful), up to the following part: This simply cannot be true. Let's suppose that th...
Indeed, concepts are not necessarily in the mind, because they are first abstracted from the particulars. E.g. 'triangle-ness' is abstracted from part...
I don't know much about psychopaths, but will attempt to explain it anyways. Sure, maybe they lack a sense of duty, but it does not follow that object...
I was unclear about your position in the last comment. My bad. I think the theory is very close to what you suggest. It is about stripping off the acc...
Indeed, if we could draw concepts or visualize them physically in our imagination, then that would make concepts physical. The fact that we can't, sup...
I think you are confusing the content of the talk with the talk itself. Sure, the talk is linked to the subject insofar as the subject is talking. But...
Alas, a concept is a peculiar thing, which by definition is composed only of essential properties, and contains no accidental properties. Using again ...
If the thought content is about the object, then it is objective; and if it is about the subject, then it is subjective. The important thing is to fig...
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