As per the OP, justice is equality in treatment among all humans (not falling for that one again). So if your personal moral sense demands to seek jus...
What then is the benefit, if not the equality? This depends on the foreseeable results. For clarity, let's inflate this example to the extremes. (1) W...
This is odd, because I would say when it comes to necessity, all men want the same thing: food, shelter, clothing, and health. What else would you mea...
Hello. I agree that intention is a necessary ingredient to a moral act (i.e., if unintentional, then the act is neither moral or immoral, but amoral),...
Morality is the science of duty or what one ought to do. With that definition, morality must be objective or else does not exist; because if subjectiv...
The difference between the hands-chopped-off case and the jail case is that some people may willingly go to jail out of a "change of heart" or sense o...
I agree with this new claim. Demanding a thing for its own sake and not as a means to another end like pleasure, is to say that the thing is good. But...
Yeah I actually don't know much about this biology thing so I'll give you that one. I would still like your opinion on the matter. Do you not seek jus...
A few comments: (1) This does not seem to follow from what you said earlier, that the only rational reason to demand justice is out of selfishness (ma...
People cannot honestly believe that thieves truly deserve to get their hands chopped off unless they agree for it to happen to them under a similar si...
Women are incapable of giving birth without men. :cool: I thought your position was equality in treatment in men and women. Now you argue for differen...
I think I have already addressed this, but I will try again. "Equality in treatment in all men" means that, for a given situation, the treatment you c...
In your view, does it follow that such persons as Martin Luther King Jr. were selfish? I cannot agree. If one acts to restore equality in treatment, e...
Hello. In theory, your example indeed poses a problem. However, in practice, I claim that your culture A cannot exist. From experience, we know that n...
If morality is objective, there there are moral truths or morally right acts, such as following the Golden Rule. If not, then not. So what is your rea...
Once again, either refute my arguments or back up your own position with a reason. As it stands, you have not done either, and as such, there is nothi...
As per example (2) in the OP, justice is equality in treatment, but relative to the situation. It is reasonable to not punish theft motivated from sta...
You may be right that, in theory, we cannot prove that morality is about justice. But I think we can in practice. Morality is about "what-ought-to-be"...
Not quite. Both the golden rule and the Just War Theory are derived from justice. The golden rule differs from justice inasmuch as an effect differs f...
For the sake of argument, suppose that what you say is true, that my belief in God prejudices me. So what? It would not change the validity of the arg...
How can the demand for justice rise from selfishness? And if injustice is present, then what becomes the measure of the net gain? Let's take the examp...
Suppose that it is true that some emotional feelings are in regards to morality. E.g., anger is triggered upon experiencing injustice. It does not fol...
But selfishness is unjust. Therefore objective morality, in which justice is the criteria, cannot come from the selfish desire of survival. Not that s...
It may be so that the existence of God and objective morality are directly linked. I.e., no God, then no objective morality, and vice versa. This seem...
No of course not. The "net gain" criteria is closer to a last resort, not the first. Equality in treatment, or justice is the first. Then in the rare ...
Hello. There is an error in category. What pertains to survival, or more generally speaking health, is indeed a type of objective value (good/bad); bu...
So if the existence of God does not follow from my position that morality is objective, then why did you bring it up in the first place? And yet plane...
I agree with this. But I thought you were presenting an example where the act can be morally good yet unjust, when you said here "Having mercy is neve...
I am reading the "Commentary on the Book of Job" by Thomas Aquinas right now. If I get some new insight, I will post it here. It's a long commentary (...
Why do you claim that mercy is never immoral? Is it not immoral to pardon Hitler over and over again, such that each time you set him free, he kills m...
If the existence of God logically follows from the rest of the argument, then it does. Don't run away from the laws of reason just because you don't l...
You here speak of changes in the legal system, not changes in the moral point of view. Nobody wants to be a slave; not the masters, not the slaves. An...
They are connected, because both are derived from justice. Golden Rule: "Do unto others as you would have done unto you" is the only way to preserve e...
I must say, you touch on what I believe is the one weak point of my argument. But I will try my best to answer it. As per point (1) in the OP, if the ...
My point was that 'revenge', once clearly defined, cannot be just, while at the same time immoral. But we can work on a concrete example if desired. "...
Actually it does. See for example the Just War Theory: how to conduct war in accordance with justice (and by extension, the golden rule). To name a fe...
Quite the opposite. Unless you believe the content was purely arbitrary, then it is reasonable to suggest it was inspired by real morality. Incorrect....
Yeah, it may be the case that after a while, through good habits, we perform a morally good act with little to no reasoning. The ability to rationaliz...
Says the argument in the OP. The criteria for moral value is justice; and justice is equality in treatment among all men; thus equality in treatment i...
Hello. I like your post, and want to analyze it. This is good. It is another way to interpret the golden rule. So your morality consists in total free...
"Equality in treatment" is the criteria of moral value (goodness/badness) specifically, not value in general. There are other types of values, and you...
I have decided to stop taking your comments seriously. With that, thanks for increasing the Replies count on this discussion. I suspect this attracts ...
I may have misunderstood your point, but are you saying that the right factors that influence the act are not obtained objectively? Maybe an example m...
Even if my position were to have changed, it does not entail that morality is neither absolute nor objective. But regardless, my position has not chan...
This is merely an opinion or position. An argument is a position backed up by reason. I was aware. As previously stated, by 'men', I mean mankind. Thi...
As I said earlier, "To preserve equality in treatment, if you treat others and yourself as you please only, then you would be forced to accept others ...
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