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Depends on how nuanced we wish to get with language. We are seeing the cat via thermal imaging, but it's not what we normally see. Black cats don't us...

They can be seen with thermal imaging goggles.

Yes, that's it! Changelings would make the best philosophers. They could just morph into whatever and tell us. I don't recall them ever exploring Odo ...

Apparently, 7 of 9 retained her taste sensations, but they might be enhanced by the Borg nanoprobes. https://us.v-cdn.net/6030345/uploads/editor/s0/p3...

Uhhh, are we really going to do the thread like this? Okay. That is a good point. I'm guessing the writers hadn't thought up the Queen yet. And what m...

They sure do like to put "red" in front of their red shades.

Ideal pink lemonade though ... I love the Borg. One wonders what it's like to be the Queen (starting at 1:39): https://youtu.be/mMoxpM434k8?t=96

The lemonade shade produced mild synesthesia in me, as it trigged a slight lemonade taste/memory. https://i.postimg.cc/bNcK4qFK/Lemonade-shade.png

Silly.

Yes, just a few that stand out enough to be named for their use in paints and web design.

Right. I've seen that mentioned several times, but googling right now I find this BBC article (below) which says about 1 million from combinations of ...

Our eyes can make out ten million shades of color. I wonder how many shades have names? Here's a site with a bunch of shade names grouped by color: ht...

That's because you ignore the naive realist assumption in ordinary language that apples look red because they are red, because the world is at it look...

But it's only red because that's the color we see. We see that color because of the way or visual system works. If our visual system was different, we...

The apple appearing red came long before optics. You have the cart before the horse. It's like arguing that sunrise means the Earth revolves around th...

Maybe the aliens can get off their butts and beam us plans for an economical fusion reactor along with the wormhole machine, instead of just judging u...

Naive realist means an unreflective assumption that the world is pretty much as it appears to us humans. A direct realist would be aware of the variou...

What does it mean for the apple to be red when there is no visible light reflecting off it? For that matter. What does it mean for the apple to be red...

Selective ordinary language philosophy.

Relational realism would mean colors are real for certain perceptual systems when perceiving under normal lighting conditions? I can dig that.

Also sounds like an ontological commitment to color realism on Andrew’s part.

So how is it so can look up a word I don’t know in the dictionary, read it’s definition, then use it meaningfully in conversation? Seems like a rather...

The US and the USSR put the entire planet at risk with their nuclear arms race. Luckily, none of the close calls triggered an actual launch. One could...

I'll just leave this hear since it will be covering some of the topics in this thread.

One where it goes beyond preventing an individual in the street from being raped, because you might have to bomb a neighborhood, among other things.

Let's take the paradigmatic cases of WW2. Most people think the Nazis (and their allies) were worth fighting, and if any war was just, it was that one...

Because it involves countries.

Intervening in other countries is not analogous to helping an individual here. That paves over a lot of complexity.

I don't think it was worth it, outside of targeting Al-Queda, which would have been special forces/limited military action.

I don't know. I tend to support pacifism and non-intervention. But reality is messy.

Shouldn't the cost of intervening be factored in? A country like the US is often in a position to interfere, but then what are the consequences? You g...

Assuming what you're saying is actually true. I've heard of this sort of study in reference to decision making (when its immediate, not following deli...

This just shows scientists are human too, and use ordinary language like the rest of us. The debate is going around in pointless circles at this junct...

Yep. I edited my post to remove that part as unnecessarily argumentative, but yeah, I have issues with ordinary language philosophy. Another part of o...

Ordinary language has naive realist assumptions. I really don't understand the obsession with ordinary language philosophy. Ordinary language has all ...

We’re just going back over the same ground at this point.

Apples aren't red. They reflect light in a wavelength range we see as red. Red is part of the visual experience.

But not for creatures with sensory modalities different enough from us. Experiences aren't limited to perception, and there is a limit to my ability t...

What about "seeing red" when someone is angry? The image being your entire visual field turns red in a fit of rage. That doesn't happen to me, but I c...

Sounds delightful!

Or we could just ask a mathematician whether a color is a number, but they'd probably think we were trolling. Numbers are abstract quantities that you...

Problem is that when it comes to myself, I'm not positing anything theoretical when I taste spicy food. It just tastes spicy, red cups look red, and n...

So you deny basic logic? Numbers and neurons aren’t colors. This is a matter of identity. You expect me to reconsider?

Intuition pump #16 Chase and Sanborn are sophisticated programs inside an elaborate computer simulation. They perform all the same functions when tast...

Good point. "What it is like" implies a comparison. Which can work for bitter and nutty coffee, because we know what bitter and nutty tastes like. But...

It is a category error. 1s and 0s aren't colors. They're numbers. And neurons aren't colors either. And guess what, neither are photons!

All the Christians I've known thought there was good evidence (and arguments) for the beliefs. Faith was more of putting your trust in God kind of thi...

@"Banno"@"creativesoul"This turns on the crux of the debate. Is Dennett and his defenders in this thread denying the experiences of color, coffee tast...

One which has inspired multiple books and numerous papers? That dispute which we're having the thousandth thread about in the history of this forum? T...

We're aware of what Dennett claims. It's also been pointed out that he likes to equivocate on terms like consciousness and free will. So he'll say tha...