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I mean, if you implemented the functions in humans responsible for the conscious experience of a red apple in a robot or some other non-biological sys...

I didn't mean p-zombie humans. More basic as in the functions themselves responsible for consciousness. Which means anywhere those functions are imple...

LOL @ the title change. I guess we have strayed too far from the paper, but the topic naturally leads to the wider discussion.

or The Walking Dead, starting around season six.

Sounds similar to the hallucination argument in favor of indirect realism.

Do you reject the notion of p-zombie functions as logically impossible?

Sounds suspiciously like a zombie!

I wouldn't be surprised if apes, elephants, whales/dolphins and some birds did it.

Well, yeah. That gets into Chalmers metaphysical (or was it natural?) versus logical supervenience. The physics doesn't entail consciousness, although...

Physics, chemistry and biology already account for that stuff. That has to do with the speed of light and inertial frames, not perceivers. Perceivers ...

So let's say a technology like Neuralink is used to treat blindness. Images from a headset are sent to a chip surgically implanted in the brain which ...

The indirect realist is going to disagree that perception being relational makes the experience different from hallucinations and other non-perceptual...

Agreed that Kantian perception would be direct regarding empirical objects, but are the empirical objects the mind-independent ones realism is concern...

It means the world is different than it appears to us. Now whether that's a problem for direct realism is what the debate is about. I say the evidence...

I quoted eight objections to direct realism from a paper countering those objections a few posts back, while making what the author thought were some ...

They're not solid in the way old-fashioned materialists thought they were. It being mostly empty space held together by electromagnetic bonds would ha...

One of the challenges to direct perception is that if the object appears differently in some ways to us than it is, then we're directly aware of a men...

I'm got to two current threads confused. Was the substance that we have direct access via perceptual sensations? That seeing color is what makes us vi...

If I recall correctly, those of us involved came to an agreement on Kantian terms, not Dennett's. But if we're talking in terms of the modern consciou...

The problem is how is there a conscious experience at all? We have detectors that can discriminate light and sound, yet they're not conscious. When we...

However, if that perspective is is coloring in the world, adding sound, taste, smell and various feels, then we're still left with something that need...

We could ask where the colors live instead.

Perception doesn’t occur on the forum. And we don’t have to rely on individual definitions as this isn’t a new topic.

I'm gong to second Olivier5 here and say this is where the dispute takes place. That meaningful landsacpe the brain resolves, what does it mean for it...

Where is the perception formed? On the forum, at your eyeballs, or in the brain?

Did the perception of meeting him in this forum occur in the mind, or on this forum?

You can read the details of each argument in that paper, but I'm confident you're already acquainted with most of them. Instead you want to caricature...

That's what I was trying to get at. Earlier lockdowns in other European countries did not prevent the need to lockdown yet again, so I'm not sure Swed...

What makes you so certain? This is an ongoing philosophical debate, not a settled one. And even one where some neuroscientists and psychologists come ...

Is Sweden any worse off than some of the notable European countries like Italy or France who did lock down? Sweden is 25th in European countries per m...

What about when the color perceived is the result of the brain adjusting for lighting conditions, which differs from the color normally perceived from...

What’s that like?

Speaking for myself, I experience looking out at the world from my eyes. But I know that's not how it works. I also know the colors I see are just a s...

It's not all the same. Color blind people either have a defect in their eyes or in their brains. I'm not sure how this works for consciousness. Agreed...

The colors we see are in the brain, because that's where the perception is formed. The cause comes from outside, but the cause is different from the c...

Dude, you know it's the wavelength of the photons. I don't know what telepathy has to do with anything. The difficult thing to account for is the redn...

Electrical signals from the cones in their eyes.

Their brains are stimulated to see red.

Does this image of direct perception work for you? https://external-preview.redd.it/2I-sL157sOYvU8JsfzHh6Xg2-3iWGpJm9aJwhwSTmQ4.jpg?width=640&crop=sma...

Where else would the experiences be? They're not out there in the objects. They're not on our eyeballs, ears or skin. We have good empirical reasons t...

That's two different meanings for the word "red". One is how it looks to us, the other is having the property of looking red to us under normal lighti...

Its an inference, and yes that opens the door to skepticism and idealism, but it is what it is.

Indeed. Animals with color vision don’t need language to tell colors apart.

Dennett’s

It's asking whether the red ball is red in the way it looks red to us. Which is different from whether red is the result of a pigmentation instead of ...

But it does show where red originates. It doesn't travel from the apple into the head, riding along photons and electrons.

Neutral Monism is the position that something which is neither mind nor matter gives rise to both. In my view, Tegmark's mathematical universe and Whe...

So we don’t eliminate red, but red is not a property of either the objects we see, or the properties used in explanations given for vision. So where d...

So what happens when your visual cortex is stimulated directly, and you have a red visual experience? It is, after all, dark in the brain as you noted...

Because there's no color quale intermediary/representation we're aware of instead?