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Hasn't stopped some scientists from publishing papers about the political and moral persuasions of people linked to various brain scans. I'm guessing ...

A bat brain in a vat, I like. Cat in a box is a whole different other can of quantum worms. Why can't nuns be color scientists? (I suppose a female wo...

Add a man day dreaming and another one meditating. Since there is apparently no such thing as inner phenomena, no cartesian theater, it should be easy...

Like unmediated touch with the molecular motion or infrared light when we feel temperature, eh? The motion of molecules and the photons in the infrare...

Or like when someone hears voices and sees things the rest of us don't.

Like that blue/gold dress? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a8/The_Dress_%28viral_phenomenon%29.png

Well, this was meant to cover cases where people do not have the exact same experience, but they can still communicate about the same object. But let’...

Or at least the process all the way up to focus/attention, assuming normal neurological functioning.

Correlated at least.

Correct. If we wanted to design a conscious robot, we wouldn’t know how to do it.

Yes. Notice that the process need not result in conscious awareness if we’re paying attention to something else. Such as daydreaming while driving on ...

Reflective surfaces, photons, eyes, nerves, brain for vision.

The process does. Notice that a description of the process does not include the experience. It ends at neurons firing.

But it can be the thing that produces an experience in us. Which would be the visual perception of an apple.

Where oh where does the color come from?

The taste is the way it tastes. It’s a conscious sensation. Stating what it’s like is just to point that out.

It’s like when you’re listening to a boring lecture, and you start thinking of other things. Your conscious experience of the talk goes in and out. Ma...

The apple isn't always going to taste the same to everyone. It won't always taste the same to you, depending on your "circumstances, conditions or dis...

No, it's just noting that there is a conscious experience to tasting beer, and this taste is not in the beer itself, but rather the taster.

Conscious experience.

But you're Australian??? You don't know what Thanksgiving turkey is like!

Would that be a direct sort of pain in your behind?

Not in America.

The colors you see, the pains you feel. I thought that was clear.

The one's you're aware of.

The answer poses a puzzle.

You don't shiver conscious sensations?

Colors and sounds are empty notions?

Would you consider this a form of emergentism?

I prefer my woo to be shivered in a more supervenient fashion than the microphysical.

Yes, but could B&W Mary know what yellow looks like before seeing it? (I simply can't resist) Could she shiver the yellow empirically in her room?

Woo tech putting the sound quivers into her brain.

I don't know how to evaluate that. Why do you think it's the superposition of all the cells that results in consciousness? I think Jaron Lanier did su...

Quantum Brain Shivers

Colors ain't coming from out there. Some brain shivering is going on.

Shivers in my mind I am searching for your qualia Everything shivers In gray matter

@"Andrew M"@"Banno"@"creativesoul"@"Janus" What is it like to have synesthesia? Some people will see number symbols and letters shaded or tinged with ...

I propose "shivering qualia". This is a harder problem, because one cannot just quine the shivering away. Actually, I kind of like the term "shivering...

I believe the qualia-phobes think our brains are not shivering hard enough when it comes to consciousness, thus our belief in color woo. We can tell t...

It's not a god-of-the-gaps argument if the difficulty is conceptual. It's more of either something is wrong with physicalism or something is wrong wit...

Quining illusory brain shivers, and how hard brain shivers give us direct access to darkness.

Chalmers goes into detail about this, but life can be explained fully in terms of structure and function, but consciousness is different, because our ...

I don't think it's that simple. I have yet to see a satisfying explanation for the conscious sensations of color, sound, etc. Sure, one can change the...

I do think many other animals have conscious experiences. I don't know whether our talk and introspection is what makes it seem like a hard problem. I...

Oh you're right, I did copy the wrong link. I had both open. Sunsets and red apples are experienced a particular way because we're human. The physiolo...

Yeah, presumably the task is left up to neuroscience.

I think he said in this podcast that perception is representational, but introspection of perception is where it seems like the representation has spe...

Yeah, except they wouldn't have the properties for us to use the word qualia. We're conscious, just not in the way it seems, I guess. That does raise ...

Wouldn't that be a form of panpsychism?

Quining the Qualia Proponents in This Thread. Edit - better yet: Quining the Qualia Lovers and their Bastard Zombies