Marchesk

Dreams don't seem like a movie is going on in the mind, except with the additional feeling of your body?

Not if you can sell the (promise of a) taste for a profit!

Which is sometimes just conscious awareness of mental activity. I don't know why perception thoroughly dominates the discussion. It's a bit harder to ...

Are they tasty?

I have a brain in my mind, but I've never tasted seen my own.

And I'm just shivering qualia in a p-zombie apocalypse. I think on The Walking Dead they briefly showed the zombie consciousness of an important chara...

Good one! Also, Westworld.

I don't know, of course, that physics is all there is.

On Star Trek The Next Generation, they show Data's dreams from a first person perspective one episode when a secret dream chip is activated. On the te...

Permutation City by Greg Egan is a classic mind-uploading science fiction novel where the main character uploads a digital copy of his brain in the 20...

Arthur C Clarke in his 3001 book has Hal and Dave tell the humans that the monolith around Jupiter isn't conscious. It's just a really sophisticated m...

Hey now! This thread is about not reading Dennett. You're risking a tangent on Quining Qualia.

I've been willing since I first jumped into this thread and admit that qualia is problematic (certainly as Dennett discusses it). But I haven't seen a...

Have we come to any sort of consensus as to what color is? Or pain? If it's not qualia, is it ... a model? A language game? A private beetle we can't ...

Weak sauce. Banno-inspired perception-related debates used to go 100+ pages. And it often included talk of apples.

p-zombies would make for lousy hedonists.

It sounded like you were denying color sensations. But perhaps you prefer to call colors models of wavelength or reflectivity.

But, but using the word suitably is only possible because we feel various pains. just like the various color words exist because we see colors.

Let me rephrase. Is causation observable? Are those observed patterns the result of necessary relations?

Are physical laws observable?

There's an entire ethical system built around that.

That part. Just being a bit snide.

When you dream of flying, is it your body or a mental image of your body? The dreaming scenario shows it’s possible for your body to present an image ...

Sounds like an argument for private language!

It jumps to the next parallel universe where you survive. P-zombies (deniers of qualia) don't get to take advantage. They stay and rot in their origin...

That's absurd. Does this mean birds don't see colors? And why don't we have the equivalent language for the rest of the EM spectrum or sonar?

I would say the theory is ideal, in that it's humans creating a map of the territory, while the territory itself might be understood as physical, assu...

So .... the mind is a Matrix? We need to take the red pill of philosophy to get to the desert of the real? Then we can go back inside the mind and kic...

I should hope so. Red cups in the brain doesn't sound like a healthy condition.

I don't recall the beginning. I think I jumped in sometime after about 18 pages. It is a bit curious.

Sure, but once one side begins psychologizing the other, turn about is fair play. I don't personally believe in an afterlife, but I do think Chalmers,...

Wait, now I'm confused. Whose side are you on? Do you just not like the term qualia?

Alternatively, materialism fails to properly account for conscious experience. One might turn the psychologizing around and say that materialists have...

Of course. That variation somehow produces the color difference.

Public versus private colored? But thing is that we don't always see the same colors.

You'll have to refresh my memory. But does it matter for whether qualia is a useful concept? I take it you think the three kinds show that it is not u...

You're certain that everyone will pick out the same shade of red? https://i.pinimg.com/originals/93/03/a0/9303a07253daff9d8864bdba2bcc6cb4.jpg Is the ...

But they are visual conscious experiences containing a red cup image.

Illusions, hallucinations and red not being a property of the cup itself leaves some room for saying otherwhise.

Isn't that the case for any foundational premise? If we instead begin with the premise that we have direct access to material objects, then idealism a...

That is the question. It seems most of us agree there are conscious experiences which include colors, sounds, pains, etc. But what does that amount to...

The mirror stage in a capitalistic society? The self as a bundle of mirrored symbols?

Red, like pain and bitter, is experienced. You can't communicate that to someone who has never had that experience. At best you can tell them there ar...

Those unobservables aren't red, nor do they communicate redness.

If only you could get everyone else to agree with you.

But they are kinds of conscious experiences. And the thing about them is you can't just dismiss dreams, hallucinations, etc. as properties in relation...

There's no knowledge problem. Thing is, the person (or robot) has to put themselves into the right state in order to gain that knowledge, which means ...

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reply="Olivier5;475231"] Well, he uses the robot version of Mary to counter the knowledge argument because Robo-Mary can learn how to modify their cod...

[ That's why Dennett is less sexist. He uses a robotic female instead.