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That's empirical. A Kantian would agree, while not being a physicalist, for example. So would Berkeley, for that matter. Physical means mind independe...

You mean perceptual sensations? Property dualism isn't substance dualism. It's just saying that are additional properties beyond the physical. Chalmer...

But maybe neurons are more than physical. Physical being an abstract description of them.

Yes, but it's not the only thing it eliminates. Also, property dualism and panpsychism don't have an interaction problem. I'm more in favor of a neutr...

And there's nothing that says nature must be physical. That's an assumption.

Why not both? NASA's budget in 2020 is $22.6 billion. The US Federal budget is $4.79 trillion. The European space budget is like $15.2 billion. I'm no...

What about Dennett's quasi-realism with a focus on patterns underlying emotions or beliefs?

Assuming the physical exhausts the mental, which i don't believe anyone has successfully shown to be the case.

Are there Hindu creationists?

Or like how a sociopath learns to fake emotion and lie to manipulate people. A sociopath can say they love you and empathize with your situation, whil...

Good question. I would as soon doubt the existence of neuroscience as I would anger.

I don't know, maybe the illusion is useful? It was adaptive for creatures to evolve that belief that they were phenomenologically conscious in some re...

That is interesting. Could make for it's own thread on forms of realism. But we could apply Dennett's five flavors of realism to qualia as well, and w...

I haven't read that paper before. Looks like Dennett will be defending quasi-realism about certian mental content like beliefs. I always wondered what...

Depends on whether the computer lacked a subjective experience of pain.

What you asked. I'm not terribly fond of using computers as a metaphor for brains and minds, as I think it's misleading. But there are some similariti...

It is often used that way. One is three pounds of flesh, and the other has something to do with the resulting subjectivity, intelligence, intentionali...

But then you're stuck with explaining everything from that monism. And some things don't fit quite so well. Take information before the evolution of l...

https://online.uwa.edu/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Screen-Shot-2019-06-27-at-8.57.50-AM.png A nice colorful graphic of the eight emotions. So there is ...

That study by Olga M. Klimecki, David Sander & Patrik Vuilleumier takes anger to be a real emotion with neural correlates and behaviors.

Indeed. What the hell?

What about love and social bonding???

When it comes to denying emotions like anger, then yeah I'm going to have to strongly object. But thanks for answering my questions in detail.

I'm still worried about the coffee being bitter. One would think Banno could do better. But then again, maybe Banno likes bitter tasting coffee. I lik...

That's not half bad.

I'd also add questions about non-perceptual experiences and how those avoid some sort of movie in the head. Dreams being the number one concern, but t...

But those meaningful correlations might include the coffee being bitter when you drink it and the cat being black on a white mat when you see it over ...

So our conscious experience consists of relations we notice in the world between things like coffee drinking and cats on mats. The tastes and colors a...

And by attribute meaning, do you mean we project these correlations onto the world? We're conscious of correlations we draw among cats and mats?

Reminds me of the aliens in Liu Cixin's Three Body Problem trilogy. Their thoughts are always visible to one another as patterns of lights which was t...

Kantian? I should know better than to argue consciousness or direct/indirect perception with a Kantian, if that's the case. That's a different enough ...

That sounds like a worthy project. So consciousness is an overloaded word with different meanings. That's probably why qualia was used to denote sensa...

Should this be its own thread? Or do you we just continue since we left Dennett's quning in the dust long ago?

Attributing meaning sounds like something to do with "the quality of mental states (e.g., thoughts, beliefs, desires, hopes) that consists in their be...

You do realize intentionality is separate debate in philosophy of mind?

Yes, but apparently we can just talk about something else and there's no problem.

Ah yes. A Dennett speciality. Change the definition and declare the problem dissolved. I'm beginning to think some of you don't actually experience co...

Because colors and pains don't make up functional explanations.

Is it acceptable to use a different definition? Attributing meaning is a separate topic. in·ten·tion·al·i·ty the fact of being deliberate or purposive...

Primitive is another way to put it. You can't break down red into anything else, unless there is someday a neurological explanation from neural functi...

So you have your own definition for consciousness. Wouldn't that better fall under intentionality, cognition or intelligence?

I prefer to just say qualia is the contents (or properties) of conscious experience, whatever that turns out to be. If qualia is too problematic, we c...

Color is a primitive property making up visual experience.

I thought we were talking about red. I don't know whether the concept of qualia is worth salvaging, but trying to explain a sensation is impossible ot...

p-zombies are hard to kill. http://digitalcollections.library.cmu.edu/awweb/awarchive?type=file&item=47537

adjective incapable of being expressed or described in words; inexpressible: ineffable joy sonary. Should I circle back to Luke's comment on showing?

So you're quesitoning whether we can know that we don't know something? Or are you questioning whether it's meaningful to say there could be conscious...

For some reason, it's never broached in the Matrix Trilogy. Neo and the rest of the unplugged just accept that being outside the Matrix is the real wo...

I agree that dolphins have conscious experiences. But I disagree in that we can say some of their experiences might be fundamentally different from ou...

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