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The thread has been revived, like a p-zombie at a picnic!

Nagel post you responded to.

I thought Davidson argued against incommensurability?

I updated to include McGinn's cognitive closue and a Wity reference.

I agree with Nagel the most. But McGinn's cognitive closure is a possibility. That of which we cannot speak ...?

See directly above. Except I don't defend some form of panpyschism, because I don't know what consciousness is, other than it being strongly correlate...

As I've repeatedly argued, regardless of whether one wishes to defend the concept of qualia, it's the colors, sounds, feels, etc. that do not fit easi...

We're not getting our gold stars, being on the wrong team in this thread.

@"Banno" Isaac is an indirect realist.

So in the context of consciousness, since we already know we're conscious, we can ask whether our physical explanations account for consciousness.

What about Hume's critique of causation? What about Kant's categories of thoughts? Or Berkeley's ideas? The empirical world has a consistent structure...

Wait, aren't you advocating for physicalism? How is that not a metaphysical position?

The qualia Banno mixes into his morning coffee.

The Trump thread is the real goal.

What does that feel like? Do you experience an ineffable annoyance?

Fading qualia.

The problem is if we start off in the simulation/dream/vat, then we don't have the real world to compare glitching to. But I agree, we can't be certai...

https://youtu.be/S8QVe7d3q8U

All the world's a cartesian theatre?

It took a rumor to make me wonder Now I'm convinced I'm going inner How about red, pain, anger, looooOOOVE?

Only if everything is entirely physical. Why assume the conclusion? Are we to the point of just defining physicalism as true? Isn't that what the thei...

Some of us, anyway.

But no Rob Zombie?

Perfect!

Don't you already know what pain is? Are you one of those rare individuals who can't feel pain? What's that like?

Part of the problem might be that we don't have the language to name a single substance that incorporates everything without issues. Or that language ...

If you started a thread to debate consciousness (because we need yet another one of those), what word(s) would you use instead? I do agree qualia is a...

You enjoy sucking on dreams So I will fall asleep with a zombie other than you I had a thought you would take me seriously And keep posting on Serpent...

What is pain? Oh baby, don't hurt me Don't hurt me No more

Most people on the phenomenal side admit to the shivering accompaniment. The question is how/why it's not just shivering. If we have a shivering ontol...

Yes, and I'm not sure whether Sara was arguing epistemology or ontology. It sounded like she wanted to expand physics to incorporate the emergent biol...

https://i.postimg.cc/RZbFfpVM/tastee-wheat.jpg

A simulated brain in a vat dreaming it's a bat while on acid.

The set of all possible qualia.

All these arguments over consciousness might as well take place inside a simulation.

It's not all perceptual. A dream of a red apple isn't information about an apple in the external environment.

We agree? Damn.

So what do you think consciousness is? If it's physical, how so? In an emergent sort of way? A non-reductive kind of physical?

I never understood the binary choice between nature being exactly what science says it is and it being supernatural. Science is based on empiricism, a...

Agreed. The experience of red is something more than the perceptual process leading up to it. Or at least our description of it.

Yes, and that experience happens inside the brain.

Software exists inside some computer system. It's not external to the computer or network. A simulation is a program running inside a computer. We don...

But the point of dreams and inner dialog is that it's happening inside your skull. A dream isn't of some event outside the head. An inner dialog is no...

Checkmate, Qualiasts?

Me at times reading this thread: https://i.pinimg.com/736x/9b/a2/1d/9ba21d852a1765167179b6b551712e9e.jpg In deciding the status of emotions, it might ...

Nonsense, bonding is found in all sorts of animal species. From parents to mates to social groups.

Kantians would be talking about categories of the mind as they structure experience, and idealists would be talking about ideas. Physical for both is ...

It doesn't. But our saying the world is physical is reifying the abstract models (largely mathematical) we have and saying the world is that structure...

OOO is a form of speculative realism where relations exist between all things, not just correlated to humans, and those relations always distort the o...

No, it means the natural world is more than the abstract stuff we model it with. Object Oriented Ontology would be another example. So would Aristotle...