Marchesk

Can you mix it in your red coffee cup the way you do bitter and sweet qualia? Glancing over the SEP article, I've never heard that term before. But I ...

Metaphysical beliefs? Come on now! I've been in threads where Platonism was considered meaningless because it had no empirical content to ground the c...

Ah, well I do not think they can succeed, because we can always state beliefs that have no concrete equivalent. But I think they have a point about pe...

But they're not always, and never are for other animals (assuming we're the only language users). This way of broadening the definition of beliefs all...

This at least has to be part of what a belief consists in, since we all believe things that we do not, and sometimes, cannot act on.

Wait, what? Why does perception need to be part of belief? I believe life exists somewhere outside Earth, but I can't perceive it. I have all sorts of...

The snow, unless it's during one of these discussions. So what your'e saying in the previous response is that perception involves all sorts of beliefs...

Are you a black hole? Not really sure at this point. Something to do about beliefs, statements and states of affairs. Also, minds. I'm trying to throw...

What do you have in mind as counter-example? For example, "I believe that I'm special". Would that count as a belief that is not about a statement?

Neutrinos?

I was responding in context of Oliver's post about someone not knowing what matter is. They say they know the world is material because they were told...

Having the wrong conception of what ordinary stuff is made up of fundamentally. If you think it's all made of water or the five elements or just the s...

Or if you think matter is ordinary stuff all the way down as opposed to fields and particles. Meaning yo have the wrong model of matter.

Ravens do that in some of Poe's poems, I think.

I can believe that snow appears white, but not that it is actually white. So it can be true on the ordinary language use as long as it means ?appears ...

I don't think snow is white. I think the Cyrenaics are right at least about this. We are whitened upon seeing the light reflect off the snow. I don't ...

Yeah but the problem is you cannot tell me about the phenomenal character of sonar, even if you go to great lengths researching the science on it. You...

Remembering we're inside the cave of sensory shadows?

There's evidence that crows can count. So for example, if two hunters are behind a blind, and one leaves, the crows are aware that one is still back t...

Interesting. I had in mind the ancient skeptical Cyrenaics school of philosophy, since we had a former poster who was a fan of them. One interesting t...

It's panpyshchist robots all the way down.

@"Banno" Which most of the posters in this thread seem to agree with. So the question is what does qualia in the first sense amount to, and does the l...

The sides have become confused recently with Banno's latest push for 100 and talk of propositional content. Back when we were tangentally discussing q...

It's a joke between teammates. The other side has done the same.

Qualia aversion is a serious condition that often goes undiagnosed. Symptoms include the need for public reassurance and an inability to introspect.

Yeah, but the thing about hard-wiring is that you can't hardwire everything about a changing environment. We can't even do this with computers. That's...

We could always marry qualia to universals and really stoke the flames. So, as a vacillating woo-merchant: I sell @"Banno" two red apples ...

I wonder when we train neural networks to recognize cats on mats, what does that amount to? Or when AlphaZero learns to play superhuman chess. Can we ...

Not if you're a BIV.

What do you suppose would be between the ears of our dear apple seller in that case?

Right, consider going to a foreign market. It helps to keep in mind that the grocer may see you as a naive tourist, and jack the price of the apples u...

@"Banno" Parmenides? We might just fit the whole of philosophy in this thread!

What about the hardware and software dichtomy in computers? Do you forgo that dualism in favor of just the hardware?

No brains for you, zombie Nazi!

Sure, thousands of years after humans have been seeing color and feeling pain, a few ambitious behaviorists created some models to Quine the woo away.

Point being that it matters what’s going on the serial killers head, if you care about not being the next victim.

Unless the grocer is a serial killer who’s triggered when he’s asked for two apples. Then it kind of matters what’s going on between his ears.

Just want a point out that our ancestors evolved the ability to see color prior to language and public models. You can't quine color away without cons...

You can't argue with a zombie.

Inference doesn't make colors or pains go away anymore than it does hands. Except for zombies.

Moore's waving his hand about is no different than us pointing out colors and pains. They're both just as much a part of experience.

"With eyes designed to shiver a color model according to a tiny faction of variation in their EM wavelength!"

Thread title changed again. Next version ought to read: Not shivering Zombie Dennett's "Quining Color"

Wouldn't have taken you for a modal realist, but if we're going to defeat Trump so you can a very nice warm qualia inside, we best put all our cards o...

Or like when Q on Star Trek Next Generation takes human form to annoy Picard.

https://youtu.be/mPnx3zO3SDc 1:45 the start of the good part where he complains about being designed to perceive like a limited human being.

What id I add, “In some possible universe, the present king of France is bald.”?

It was so much better back in the day. We walked indirectly to school and ideally home afterwords.

Nonsense. Unless you can taste wavefunctions and see X-Rays. I bet you can't even do sonar!

Anyone who does that is truly naive, both philosophically and scientifically. One might be a direct realist, but it does take more work than just "thi...