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Well, yes. If your commander gives an order, you are thereby under an obligation, even if you do not follow that order. That's right. When I say "Hell...

Yep.

Well, you can have some of my stew if you so choose. It's up to you.

Instead of addressing the criticism you choose to hide from it with a mere caricature. Not a rational or honourable response.

Nice. Do you have thoughts as to how to go about doing this? My first reaction is that of course there need be nothing in common between the various l...

You are moving too quickly. You ask the question and then jump to the conclusion. A more careful approach might serve you better. What presumptions do...

Very very good. Your explanations of both Wittgenstein and Gödel are clear and crisp. That is, there's an admirable brevity to both, without loss of i...

It was a scattershot.

Not much to do with utility. Each formal system has it's own definition. Which logic is your account valid in, then? I was using prop calculus. Why ar...

@"Count Timothy von Icarus" — maybe we could take a step back. You said you didn’t make use of a “Great List.” But don’t you think there are true stat...

This looks to me as if you would avoid the issue rather than address it. I would suppose that we might find a point of agreement at least in preferrin...

Ok - but isn't making that distinction an application of logic? So it can't server as the justification for logic...

I don't usually read Leon's posts. The last few show why. When faced with a counter argument, he doesn't address the criticism, but instead insults th...

, . Very down to earth posts. In my usage, a narrative has a truth value - it sets out how things are, or at least it sets out how they are supposed t...

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It had me reaching for the antiseptic... to whip down the furniture. Thanks for that. I want to be clear that, in contrast to your much more interesti...

Yep.

Sure. But that's not all there is going on here. A command also creates of an obligation, a question seeks a reply. That's more than just a transfer o...

Thanks for chiming in, with a very Hegelian response, no less. And being Hegelian, of course it's right. I do hope my account is incomplete. Otherwise...

Oddly accurate.

Nice. I think I see where you would go. And I guess all I can do here is point to the basic liberal principles of accepting the differences that make ...

I'm not sure what you mean here. That there could be an end to philosophy, a point where we have finished the Great List of Facts? Perhaps, but I don'...

Well, yes. That's why it's brilliant. The simple observation that we can do more than one thing with the words we use. A fair point. Yes, we can say m...

Nice. Do dolphins have a language that is so different to ours that we cannot recognise it as such? Good question. I do not know the answer. But you a...

I am tempted to go a step further, and suggest that we assume commensurability. That, after all, is what the Principle of Charity implies. You and I a...

So you don't think that god knows everything? Or that every statement is either true, or it is false, and hence there is a set of truths, and all othe...

Are you happy with that answer, or are you looking for alternative views? Your question, for example, "Where does logic come from?", supposes that log...

Some folks don't - perhaps can't - get it Sometimes you have to walk away.

Good. I'm pleased with the attention it has garnered. Yes, 'dissection' is pretty much 'analysis' but I went with the former both in order to leave be...

Yep. Here's were this line of reasoning spits off from the thread: See if I have this right. I've said "it's not the case that anything goes". You und...

, The relation between language games is a central problem here. Feyerabend was all set to do his Doctorate under Wittgenstein, who unfortunately up a...

There might be a Scotsman lurking here... At the risk of oversimplifying, best I make explicit that I did not deny having a world view, nor suggest th...

Or, perhaps, the solution is not algorithmic.

Thanks, . I was writing a longish response, only to have it deleted whiel refreshing multiple windows. Bugger. It was a list of the various points you...

Brilliant post. Why is it so hard for some to see that not every statement has assertoric force? Or that a negative statement may have assertoric forc...

Indeed. Hegelian rhetoric can be brilliant, as in the mouth of that salivating Slav, Žižek. And our own @"Tobias", of course.

Thanks - yes, but that aspect of the OP has been sidelined. I'm intrigued by the apparent way in which criticism of a suggestion is seen as impolite.....

Fair. the genesis of analytic philosophy was arguably the rejection of British Hegelianism... all in good keeping with the motion of the Dialectic, of...

Well said. Me, too. But I can't say more. :wink:

Maths doesn't close itself off in the way I'm suggesting. Consider potential closures: ' 'There can only be one line through a given point that is par...

Have you stopped beating your wife? No, I won't answer your question. I made "I have all and only the truth" a claim of hubris. This is not the same a...

Bit of a shame your post came at the bottom of a page, as it seems to me to deserve quite a bit of attention. The closure we're talking about is metho...

yeah, not a bad reply at all. The whole architecture is authoritarian in form. That style of philosophising is structured to preclude objection. Each ...

I agree. Well, sometimes. True. But there's stuff after the Tractatus, and not just from Wittgenstein. The stuff that can't be said can still be evalu...

Indeed it is. But we agreed: And your is just such a misreading. Indeed, I gave an example of how truth might work, following Kripke's formal example,...

Speaking roughly, it's just myth-making until the critique begins - then it can be doing philosophy.

There's whole worlds between what is vacuous and what is determinate. That seems to be our point of difference. Those worlds are were we find the unkn...

Love this. On this, at least, we might agree! So where else might we find agreement? How am I reading "determinate content"? I presume you mean someth...

:smile: Of course it is. Who else's would you have me recite? :wink:

Cheers. Hope the OP is helpful. Oh, to be so lucky! But as you so eloquently say, we do find ourselves putting the pieces of our history together in a...