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No, just pleased to get a bit of harmony. It's a rare thing.

Wow. Cheers. Think that made my day.

@"Jamal", any chance of closing this thread, here? Seems an appropriate point.

Thanks, Srap.

I think I agree. But I walk away from "perception" because it is seen as private. Seems to me that form a Wittgensteinian perspective, perception as a...

Pointing already is a language game. It's only a block so far as it participated in the game of building. This is of course quite contrary to the view...

Very much, no. But there is bad philosophy. And Picasso went to art school. Picasso’s early training at formal art schools like the Real Academia de B...

To play the game is to move blocks and apples around. What counts as a block or an apple is constituted by the game, as much as prior to the game.

Ok, so how would you proceed? Sure, the world is sometimes not as expected. But we can see this only becasue overwhelmingly it is coherent. Chairs do ...

The Gavagai thought experiment is of a linguist attempting an interpretation of a language. The point is that the linguist doesn't need to decide the ...

I don't think that quite right. We might participate in a form of life or a language game, without sucha n assumption. Hence my reference to the Gavag...

Seems to be pretty much the question I asked here: However, language games are embedded and make use of stuff in the world - apples and blocks and so ...

Could dolphins have a form of life so different to our own that we could not understand it? If so, how would we recognise it as a 'form of life"?

My OP on two ways to do philosophy is along these lines. Explanation - or justification - requires a contrast between what is explained and the explan...

It's not clear that there is a decline in creativity in philosophy. It won't do just to assert such a thing. It certainly is insufficient to base such...

Folk want the world to be unpredictable in order to suit their heroic philosophical narrative, but predictably go to the shop to buy their sausages. T...

Yep. Quite agree. Here are all the mentions on PI: And from OC: So not synonymous with "language game", but more the ground on which they take place.

So the topic is "On Matter, Meaning, and the Elusiveness of the Real", yet you claim that pointing out that what is real is right there before you is ...

It's extraordinary to have someone use the internet to deny that the world is coherent and predictable.

That's just not so. I don't know what more to add. The fact that you replied to me shows that the world is pretty much as it seems.

Spot on - see hereabouts. "the Elusiveness of the Real" is pretty much exactly wrong.

Are you perhaps dropping too much acid? Overwhelmingly, the world appears to do much as advertised.

Yep. One would presumably describe what the interactions involved in what one does, rather than list a series of acts. Your somewhat literal interpret...

Perhaps we could look for a point of agreement that would allow a rest. Do we agree that one can coherently say "I don't know"?

I had the same thought...

Seconded.

Well, if Granny Weatherwax is right, we can't possibly know what the world would be like if you never existed. It just is as it is. I suppose the upsh...

Sure. Supose that someone claims to have achieved "self-transcendence". How could we check?

A way this thread might have gone would have been to consider hinge propositions and such. Is it that some things must to be held certain, in order to...

Becasue none of that explains the mystery of how you could suggest something so distant from what was actually said. Which you continue to do. Most pu...

You should understand that you are not alone in any of this. Not that knowing this makes it any easier, but it might take away some of the stigma. I v...

Nice. This remains unaddressed. Perhaps it's particulars that decide the issue - a new job, a cheaper house, being near family. And here maybe the ana...

To care is to adopt a view. Further, how could one ever know that one sees Perhaps I see things as they truly are, now, without the years of meditatio...

This seems to be the key. From what Tim has said, he does not agree. I supose he might say that you need to know what you are looking for before you g...

Then he was not disinterested - wanting someone to look after him. See the problem?

, I picture language games as more or less discreet, seperate enterprises. The examples are things like the builders calling for a block, buying an ap...

You haven't missed much. No, I won't presume to summarise Tim's views. And yes, the thread is drifting into the culture wars, which is a bit of a sham...

The view from nowhere? But don't you object to that? To be disinterested in the suffering of others doesn't appear all that admirable.

Since Descartes. Why not start with the premise that the world is pretty much just as it seems to be, and look for evidence to the contrary?

A valiant attempt at bringing some reason into the discussion. The moving cities analogy is interesting. I think we can take it a bit further. Let's c...

If there is no rock, only "sensations-of-rocK", as some are prone to supose, then is there is no difference between the pain and the sensation-of-rock...

Look around? Who "constructs the ladder from their senses"? It's easy enough to understand which stick is straight, which crooked. Maybe you're overth...

Now you have added "imaginable". So now you are doing modal logic? There is a difference between following some god-given principle and trying things ...

No. The community is embedded in the world. Again, it looks to me as if you are being disingenuous, this time by ignoring the triangulation.

No, and that is exactly the point! It's not some principle that leads to knowledge, but repeated, open, communal discussion.

The world doesn't require anything. No! Again, that is not what was said. The way the world is will show that your data is made up, not that some moot...

From that blog: Sometimes one's posts are a monument.

Bugger. Thank you, , for passing this on.

Yep. That's not down to the community failing to accept a principle, but a mismatch between what the community says is the case and what is the case. ...

If the system being discussed is used to determine what counts as "reasoned rejection", then we have "methodological foreclosure". In the example, the...