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Just so. What more is there?

Yes, those who oppose choice have a tendency to reject any nuance or subtlety, much preferring the reassurance of strong lines; it deadens the fear th...

The case for Ramsey and pragmatism is being somewhat overstated.

@"Rank Amateur", and any one else who adheres to the Future of Value argument, show that it is not an ad hoc defence of a religious position by presen...

Well, no. I guess I'm left to assume that you do think a soul enters the baby(sic.) at conception. It's this belief that prevents you from seeing that...

Interesting. I think you protest too much. That is, your arguments are excessive. Do you think a soul enters the baby at conception?

Indeed, it is. Because a foetus is not a person.

I find it extraordinary that you think a foetus has a moral worth anything like that of a person.

I'm not interested in defending the capabilities approach. It's of interest here only because it provides another way of looking at the worth of a per...

It's so much easier to critique if you start by misinterpreting.

Cheers. It's easy to over-think this. There re plenty of threads around this forum that display how not to understand Kripke. It's important to unders...

They might be mistaken as to the facts right up until they act on their understanding. Then they are acting immorally.

My opinion? Up until the end of the second trimester.

Ah. Perhaps this is what is going one: I am being read as advocating that a foetus is less capable than a human, and hence less entitled to be treated...

Glad you took a look. Firstly, what I have said about abortion is not reliant only on a capabilities approach. See my reply to Michael, above. It was ...

Some might enjoy this: Abortion, Dignity and a Capabilities Approach

As with all moral decisions - indeed, as with all decisions - it's down to you. So I am convinced that a blastocyst is not in the same ethical categor...

Two things here. I think it obvious that the woman has a place in considering ending the pregnancy. In this regard your Roe v. Wade might be lacking. ...

So allow me to take care: the full sentence is: If you prefer, the cyst is not an organism. But in simpler words, a cyst is not entitled to respect in...

No, I would not argue that. Human dignity inheres in sentience, emotion, affection, physical health, appetite and rationality. That's what it is. It m...

Quoting myself again, since you saw fit to split the thread... @"Rank Amateur"'s desire is to have the argument expressed in terms that suit him. Don'...

I am in complete agreement with what you have to say here. Notice how this post utterly ignores the impact that pregnancy has on the involved woman, t...

Let's be clear then. A person has dignity in virtue of their sentience, emotion, affection, physical health, appetite and rationality. It does not adm...

Actually, if you take a look at the capabilities approach offered by Nussbaum, you will find it provides very strong defences for the rights of the di...

I don't have a moral code. That's for those with invisible friends. I make it up as I go along. Funny thing is, so do those with moral codes; only the...

Let's do some deconstruction. Removing a cyst is not killing. A cyst is not a living thing, not a plant, animal or mushroom, and hence cannot be kille...

Human dignity inheres in sentience, emotion, affection, physical health, appetite and rationality. It is in recognition of this dignity that a person ...

I've already answered this. A blastocyst is not a person. It's a cyst. The future of value approach strikes me as an ad hoc response to the choice arg...

I no longer want anything to do with this thread.

dead. You keep missing that point. There is a woman involved in every pregnancy. The woman is a person. The cyst, not at all. The embryo, hardly. The ...

If you would actually take a second to read and understand what we are talking about this would go faster. :razz:

Actually, I can't see were you have presented anything that remains viable. Should we abort the discussion?

Bullshit. My blood cells are human. They do not amount to a human being. A blastocyst is human. It is not a human being. Your posited support from bio...

That's an extraordinary suggestion. "the use of her body", as if a woman must be passive during sex. How boring! How misogynistic. And as a whole - th...

A three-month old does not show more sentience, emotion, affection, physical health, appetite and rationality than a cyst? Try again.

Self-serving, disingenuous twaddle. But if you like, we can move on to persons, and leave this crap behind.

Indeed. Cysts are not persons. If you want lots of words to back this obvious observation, then read Martha Nussbaum.

OK. Thanks. Then I will say that being a person involves sentience, emotion, affection, physical health, and appetite and rationality. A woman is capa...

That's an ambiguous answer - of course you don't agree, or of course a cyst is not a person?

Just to be clear: do you agree with me that a blastocyst is not a human being?

Why do you think there is an exact point? But first, can a cyst be a person?

"nothing but". At one time each of us was a cyst.

That's the Achilles heel. It's pretty hard to pretend a cyst is a human, let alone a person with rights. And if you admit that it isn't then your clai...

Are you here agreeing with me that a Blastocyst is not a person?

It's evident? From observation? But that you have not so far found a contradiction does not mean that there are none. One might come up in the next ob...

And you know this... because?

Well... it obviously is disputed. Repeatedly and enthusiastically. A cyst is not a human.

It contains no contradictions.

So you know that reality is consistent?