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Well, no; if they fail the test they are legally so required. That has nothing to do with a moral imperative.

I don't know if you are addressing Rank or me, or both of us. Nor can I tell if the weaker opponents(sic) are foetuses or folk who have submitted post...

Such a position shows a lack of respect for the woman.

That an adult woman deserves more respect than a cyst.

And it isn't; or rather, its needs are far outweighed by those of the woman.

Sure. So the couple involved in a conception are responsible for the result. Now, what in that implies that they ought carry through to birth?

Imaginable and possible Not the same sort of thing.

No, he didn't. This tells us about you, not Tim.

No subtlety, then. If she wants to have one, she should be allowed, within the first two trimesters. Third trimester, needs might come into it. No, it...

I don't think anyone has said or implied this.

Those who are self-centred tend to be ostracised. That's what is happening in this very thread. Bit of a microcosm, really. You can't see it. That's n...

And here in a nutshell is the poverty of Objectivism.

Article in lates Philosophy Now. A bit too sympathetic for my taste.

SO a given statements can't be true unless it refers, and it can't refer unless it is true? A pretty pickle. You seem to think I agree with Purple. I ...

No. Not all words are names. You have to face the problem of what it is that a predicate points to. You might take an extensional approach and say tha...

How do you point to the predicate "...is a jew"?

Not I. Well, unless you can show me how that follows from what I have said...

That's close enough for me. Looks much the same.

Well, that was fun. Thanks for your part.

I suppose one might argue that the body has value because it houses a soul. But that would void the pretence of secularism. Further, dead bodies no lo...

But that can't be right. We owe little, morally, to a mere organism in virtue of their biology. It's other stuff, like the capacity to suffer, self-aw...

That is, the argument fails to move from human being (organism) to person.

Well, it's P1 and P7 that make moral claims. The other points make claims about biology, more or less; and hence are independent of any moral claim. S...

A compliment? Thanks.

OK, as long as we note that a foetus cannot survive independently.

At their time of death. Rejecting the notion of an afterlife.

Yep.

If it is wrong to deprive a person of their future, and a person can still be a person despite being unconscious, so...

@"Rank Amateur", @"tim wood", ...because with my variation on P1, the morally significant individual is a person, not a human organism. Which breaks t...

It's my feet.

P1: P2: The term "organism" implies an independence not found in an embryo. For a start, it cannot reproduce. I could go with "An embryo has unique hu...

OK, so can you present all seven points, as you see them, with whatever modifications you see fit after our discussion? I would like to address what y...

I can't agree that the woman's body is not an essential part of P7. Alright. Marking this as a point of disagreement, let's move on.

Ah, OK, thanks. I'm not going to use stuff as subjective as "inner state"; it's not something that can be shared in a conversation - you know, Wittgen...

OK, then - after my comments, and taking this into account, what would P7 look like now?

Really? You surprise me.

If left alone a foetus will die. In order to live it needs the support of a woman. She has to come in somewhere. This seems the obvious place.

It's nice to see the Aussie word "Mate" getting a good run, too.

Being dead is not that unique. No, we are having difficulty with agreeing on P7.

Cheers. Have a great day.

SO much for the grown-up then. You see, I think making an appeal to emotion is an important part of getting people involved in a topic. And I am prett...

OK, but... There are pretty obvious differences between a blastocyst and an unconscious person. I think this has been pointed out by various others. Y...

But it wouldn't. It would be dead.

Yeah, will do. Your writing reeks of that Sovereign Citizen crap, or worse, of Ayn Rand. Passionate male fragility. But thanks for the chat.

Yeah, nuh. If something is not aware, how can it have a desire? And that would stand regardless of stage of development. Again, a human being does not...

You are still focusing on your own corrupt electoral system. Basically your system is fucked. It's a large reason why the USA counts as a partial demo...

If you like, you can call them that. Biut "Harry Potter" usually refers to Harry Potter. SO empty name does not mean a name that does not refer.

And you've slipped from an organism to a person in P7. "Awareness" is not necessary for a human organism, but is for a person. Same for "desire". A ph...

You think there is something that they all have, that other stuff doesn't? But perhaps it is just that we talk about them in different ways, rahter th...

That's pretty crap logic. I guess it was not intended as presenting an argument. Voting was made compulsory Dow Nunder because hardly anyone turned up...