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An interesting point. Perhaps you are right. But we would need to take care with the wording. A moral statement is one that says what ought be the cas...

Here is the broken pup. Here is the crying owner.

And in so doing you moved to a preference instead of an imperative. One says what Michael likes. The other, what everyone should like.

Can you show how that view would be a consequence of what I said?

:up: Yep.

:up: Yep.

A better foil might be the Will to Power: conscientiously acting so as to achieve power for oneself. How consistent could such an approach be? Could t...

@"Terrapin Station" Well, there was a point there, but it did not strike home. As I recall it, folk were suggesting that one difference between subjec...

Why are so many folk so worried about the contents of other people's underwear?

Even if you see green?

Never.

What scientific test can be performed to determine whether something is blue, if I don't feel such that I judge it to be blue? Blue as per what's cust...

Quite. But teasing you is such fun.

Remember that replacing one set of words with another leads to circularity. At some stage you have to actually do something with words to show what th...

Yep. Depends what you want to do.

Well it's quite like my showing you a blue cup and you saying "But where is your evidence that it is blue?" What your request has shown is that you ei...

You are aware that this is not the open question mentioned in the title, which is an argument against naturalist ethics presented by Moore? Though it ...

Anyone remember the chair at the end of the universe?

Replacing "objective" with "extramental" doesn't change much.

So for example, your question implies that the way to judge morality is by its utility. Is it? Is what us useful, what is good? No.

Folk seem to think ethics will be able to show them right from wrong. Philosophy will help you with conceptual inconsistencies. It won't tell you what...

There was no "just". I suggested several tests that did not involve a panel of experts - patting the cat and washing the mat, just to see if they were...

Missed this. Perhaps you might use the @ tool a bit more. Of course standards of moral judgement stem from us. It's in the word "judgement" that this ...

yep.

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No quiet. When a sincere speaker says "The cat is on the mat", unless they're mistaken, there is a cat on the mat. If they're mistaken, there is not. ...

Is meaning subjective or objective? Is meaning green or red? Same argument.

I'm thinking along the lines of "...is good" as the predicate for statements that are then parsed as an imperative. Not kicking puppies is good. Hence...

Well, for reasons I set out elsewhere, that convinces me that what you have said is insufficient to explain how we understand each other. Hence the ne...

Like eating the chocolate cake. Fun, but not good in the long run.

It's an interesting issue. If @"S" decides that your moral judgement is superior to his own, he makes a moral judgement. Deciding to let someone else ...

:grin: Not directly. Just thought it worth making my overall position clearer.

Interesting. Not sure I understand. To be sure, speech acts are acts, and hence subject to moral interpretation. I think we agree on this. Triad? just...

TO be candid, I would drop "meaning" from most philosophical conversation. It's far more productive to talk about what we do with words, how they inte...

No need. Others will help you.

Well, we disagree profoundly here. It's just that your explanation needs some more - you explain "sense"in terms of meaning. A better approach for you...

'One ought not kill': Killing is an element in the group of things we ought not do. 'One ought follow the imperative 'do not kill'': 'Do not kill' is ...

That's pretty much the view critiqued in Philosophical Investigations. It's not that it is wrong, so much as that it is misleadingly incomplete. ( my ...

Not conflating - distinguishing. If meaning is all inside one's head, how is it that you and I can talk together about Paris?

Not I. You said: (My bolding) Phenomena, in phenomenological parlance, has the particular tone of being in one's mind - roughly the same as qualia. So...

I want to reconsider the circularity of interpretation again; taking interpretation here to mean replacing one set of words with another. There was me...

Here's something else to consider, especially if you are thinking along the lines of meaning being somehow internal - @"Terrapin Station"? If meaning ...

So some statements have a direction of world-to-word; Such statements can sometimes be re-parsed in an imperative mood. If that imperative applies to ...

Seems so.

Commands are not statements, so they do not have a truth value.

You drew attention to the worthwhile use of interpretation as interpreting one set of word in terms of another set of words. It's that which is inadeq...

One difference that might be worth noting is the direction of fit of different sentences. In "The door is closed", the sentence is perhaps used to set...

So what you are calling an interpretation is not more words that say the same thing - see @"Judaka". What you are calling an interpretation is the res...

SO there is a way of understanding words that does not involve interpretation.

O.K. A bit more on circularity, then. @"Judaka" explained how interpretations are circular. Let's take it a step further. If the only way to understan...