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Might be a good time to go read some more of Martha.

Yes... moral contingencies can be traced back to moral fundamentals... and...?

Arlo's coming for a visit in a couple of months. Comin' in from over the pole.

You wanna know if I rehabilitated myself after reading Moore? They are going to burn women, kids, houses and villages anyway, litterbugs or not. They,...

Agreed! And it's this that can get lost in if folk think morality is subjective.

OK, let's go back. Is it good to turn away asylum seekers? To build walls against immigrants? To fuck your economy? On at least one of these things, y...

And they all moved away from me on the bench there... But yes, that's a good point. (He he. I made a pun.) Overwhelmingly, we agree on what to do. But...

The smartarse red herring bit was only part of my reply. I regret the loss of a term that was quite useful; that's all. I did answer your question:

Of course. I agree with you, i think; although I might summarise it somewhat briefly as that in the end, it's what we do that counts. And it is "we" n...

Actually, I'm the star; you are the antenna. :cool:

Ah. yes - fixed. What's with philosophers misusing "begs the question"? Of all people, they should know better. It's not hard to think of a few exampl...

When an antenna is pointed at a distant star, it will move a little bit too far, going past the mark. It then has to stop, and move backwards again, j...

Folk want other people to live by the categorical imperative.

So now we can have fun filling in the forms and playing with the pencils on the bench there.

Well, I don't think I ever said otherwise. What I denied was that this made it subjective - somehow hidden; or simply a question of feeling. I say one...

Indeed, you have. This is why I found one of S's recent threads ironically amusing. So here is my reply, yet again. Consider: goodness is what accords...

Isn't it curious that when I point out what goodness isn't, people read it as my pointing out what goodness is...

Eudaimonia is popular again. And that's fine - it's a worthy goal. But I would maintain that it's not what might be called a principle good. And I'd a...

That's it. Ethical subjectivism denies ethics rather than engaging. Well put.

but as if one did not have anything to say about the other... No. Meta ethics feeds on, and shits into, ethics.

Let's let him have a say. Seems he has some idea of what he is doing.

I have an old bathtub out the back. Several generations of goldfish have lived their lives out there. Every now and then a Grey ibis comes to visit an...

Sure, and I see that you will not accept the properties I show you, saying that the wrong is not to be found in the broken pup. I point out that blue ...

I wrote a short thesis on this once, relating it to organisational leadership and bringing in Feyerabend. The point was to explain organisational irra...

OK, we will leave it for some other time. I was just taken aback.

Unless - and this is a very different way to proceed - one's purpose is the will to power. Then, morality being subservient to will, all moral stateme...

Thanks. Turns out @"Terrapin Station" doesn't think mathematical statements have a truth value. I can't see how that could be made to work. The direct...

Still reading. Maybe a forthcoming thread, though.

I've been reading Martha Nussbaum. Are you at all familiar? Far more useable than the stuff going on here.

Nor am I. Ok, let's just put it down to being overly neat. Morality needs to be messy.

Perhaps we think of this as a version of scientism? A desire to keep objective stuff "clean"?

What did you get out of this thread?

@"S" But that thing about meta-ethics and normative ethics is odd. Do you really thing them distinct? As if one did not have anything to say about the...

You want me to stay on my own topic. A thread has a life of its own. Better to treat the topic as a strange attractor than a fixed point.

If you like.

This distinction is that important to you? Ok.

SO... and help me out here... you think that we cannot move from the is in "it is moral to do X", to the ought in "we ought to do X"?

You missed it. @"Terrapin Station" was most insistent. Ah, I see @"Mww" drew attention to this. Well said. The answer will always be in the doing.

Sure. But it seems that we agree, at least most of the time, as to what we ought do. And isn't working out what to do the point of ethics? We blow our...

SO again, let's bring in the open question. Suppose that what is good is what is more or less universally felt and thought to be right. But couldn't t...

Odd, it seems, if we agree that kicking puppies is wrong, that so much energy was expended in demanding evidence...

Hu?

Absolutely - Why add this? Too much baggage. And yet, as S said...(sic.) So we all agree, and yet we rant on for page after page. Something is astray ...