Banno

Bloody admin's pet.

Ilya dun got his self banned for being a bit of a dick. Thus pass all such on this forum.

Summoned, I am here. No need to play Socrates. You already know how to use the word; setting out a definition will only lead showing off. Hence leads ...

The train still makes a mess.

Me, too. @"Janus" seems now to be arguing that the Mesozoic was interpreted because the dinosaurs interpreted it. That seems a bit odd to me.

No, it isn't.

Given your belief in meaning as mind-furniture, I don't see where a discussion with you would be helpful. We can talk about the world of 3 billion yea...

If you like. I'd just shorten that to "There were dinos in the Mesozoic".

I understand that. It shows a misunderstanding of what is being said. That the world is always already interpreted means that there is a world to be i...

touché!

The world is always already interpreted amounts to the same thing as Wittgenstein's "The limits of our language are the limits of our world" Perhaps t...

We can't interpret the world we see around us in order to understand what happened in the past? There's a bit of a flick in the words you use. The wor...

I don't see why. Can you set this out?

@"Marchesk", a case in point... ...to our earlier discussion.

Do I? :razz:

I think @"Wayfarer"'s reply would come down to something very similar to what we seem to have agreed on here. He must in some way admit to error, limi...

Hmm. Better: there isn't an uninterpreted nature to the world. The distinction is senseless.

So don't. Treat meaning as use. The world is always already interpreted in terms of the things we can do in it.

Thank you for the clarification. Perhaps we can stop agreeing so vehemently. I would just draw attention to one aspect: "our perception of things is a...

Sure; and yet these questions remain.

So: I don't see anything here that is incompatible with realism.

Indeed, pathetically so.

I was with you up to: Eggs are consistent with capitalism.

No, it's obviously correlated to the rise of the use of mobile phones.

Searle is a student of J.L. Austin, in whom I am well pleased. The book on this topic is his Sense and Sensibilia

Janus, perhaps you need to be clearer in your writing.

To be mistaken requires that what you have in mind is distinct from what is out there. If the external world is not independent of your mind, how is i...

Brain or mind? It makes a difference. Physically there is a causal chain between brain and object. The separation of one from the other is somewhat ar...

Searle is addressing the Wittgenstein view, thorough his own lens. Searle has much to say on intentionality. The argument form the Chinese room is tha...

yes.

No.

@"Marchesk" More "Here be Dragons" talk. It amounts to nothing.

SO it is meaningful post-hoc. Meh.

Yep.

I could go along with that. But not with the suggestion that the concept is the thing the word stands for; nor that the concept is a thing in one's he...

I chose the word as a joke. Lost on some. At least you noticed.

We can count to 2 and beyond - add 2, double a number, choose a pair of socks. That's what the number 2 is.

Marks the place were this refers back to @"Marchesk"'s suggestion that it's about the stuff we don't know.

@"Marchesk" Compare this to "Nobody knows what anything is". Well, seems to me that this is not so. What does adding the word "really" do here? Does i...

OK. That's progress.

@"Marchesk" What do you make of this now, after our discussion? Specifically, is "...what it really is" coherent?

Notice that these are physical issues, not metaphysical..

That things disappear over the horizon bottom first. That the shadow of the Earth on the moon is always a circle. The procession of the planets. A few...

The world is like chairs and desks and particles and space. What is it that remains a puzzle?

Not being able to list the molecules that make the chair up doesn't stop us from moving the chair around. Why should it then stop us from talking abou...

I don't see that as a problem. There might indeed be another chair with the same chemistry. But I think you want to say something deeper...

Sure. But there is no incompatibility here. We can talk about the chair in terms of moving it around the table, and then in terms of it's chemistry. W...

I do the same.

And there are words like molecules and quanta.

So when we have a problem with the "concept itself", let's just drop back for a bit and look at how we are using the words.