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David, in a fit of temper, kills your calf. He ought pay for the inconvenience - a question of simple justice. But you are moved to forgive him and he...

? Obviously, the way one determines if he is on the chair or no is not the same as his being on the chair, or not. Yet you seem to think they are. Aga...

Further, there's a sense in which justice is not about being moral. Consider that in order to be forgiving, one must forgo what is just.

, I don't think that for Anscombe "...owes..." comes for any induction or consensus. It's more that if one admits to receiving the spuds after having ...

Just that second sentence, where she wants an "adequate philosophy of psychology"... a philosophy of psychology is not a psychology; and adequate for....

You were going to tell us about the necessity of obligation?

Sure.

Sure; I'm asking why she thinks it absurd. She doesn't actually say, so we are left to make suppositions. She was one of Wittgenstein's favourite stud...

Isn't it possible to have an ethical outlook that is not law-bound, and yet still hasa philosophical infrastructure? Isn't that what virtue ethics is?...

He's not on the mat. He's on the chair. DO you hav a point of any substance to make?

And here is your problem - conflating the cat being on the mat with your knowing that the cat is on the mat. You are wrong to think they are the same....

So... one never asserts a proposition that is false?

But things are not true or false because they are justified or unjustified...

...and that would be wrong, wouldn't it; because we can be wrong about the things we might say. SO the analogy with colour quickly fails.

A more interesting reply, Isaac. Who said that it was useful? All I am claiming is that it is right! :wink: ...which is to say that when someone else ...

I agree.

Slowly... SO we agree that people make mistakes. A mistake is when someone believes something that is not true. But you had claimed that, that a state...

BUt you said it was redundant, so... yes, it is effectively meaningless.

...yes, indeed; so we treat what you said as a reductio, and conclude that your "For someone to claim that a statement or proposition is true, it mean...

Now he's in the bathroom. That's silly. Sometimes he is on the mat, and I'm not even in the house. Make your point. If there is one.

Nuh. He's watching the birds out the window.

Fresh out. Just sittin'. Thanks.

When he is on the mat, yes. Otherwise no. What more could you want? Nothing, of course - hence, you are unable to articulate your objection.

But I have answered that question. "The cat is on the mat" is true exactly when the cat is on the mat. You are unable to articulate your objection.

Only when "the cat is on the mat" is true. I don't think you have a coherent objection.

While we are at it, why isn't fruit a bicycle?

What? It's obviously a joke, but it went over my head.

Again, she is exactly right. The most inane climate denialist will legislate to herself an open mind.

You want something more, that will make "the cat is on the mat" true, beyond the cat's being on the mat. How's that?

Yep. Is your criticism that she wrote an article instead of a book? And she is exactly right. Notice that she here makes reference to the argument she...

No. The cat is on the mat. "The cat is on the mat" contains six words. See the difference?

What is extraordinary is that it is so hard for some to understand the answer. "The cat is on the mat" is true IFF the cat is on the mat. That's all t...

A second reply... Notice the differing logical structure of these two sentences. The first asks if a simple first-order predication is true: is F(a)?....

A first reply... That's just asking if the word "cheese" is suitable for describing the stuff the moon is made of. IF the task at hand is answering a ...

It is extraordinary! The extent that those with a philosophical bent will go to deny themselves the obvious. There is the cat, on the mat, before poor...

Yes, that is the argument she is rejecting, I'm not sure why you have said this. After all, it's not that Anscombe is rejecting the conclusion of this...

I'll await something more than mere assertion.

Someone removed the joke in the title by adding "Anscombe's..."

IF that were so, no one would ever be mistaken; for to be mistaken is to beleive that such-and-such is true, when it is not.

That's not right. As in, you've just sown that you do not understand the redundancy theory.

no.

So is it also meaningless to state that a statement is false? Or are you in the process of re-inventing the redundancy theory of truth?

Indeed, he might be right. Hence At the least they do not contradict, one the other. But if we can fix the car without the metaphysics, then that's wh...

Cheers. I'm only here because hospital and enforced rest. Next week I get to go Do The Things again. My advice, which I live and breath: Take the drug...

Then you would go along with the modus tollens reading...? https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/anscombe/#VirEth Edit: now archived at https://plato.sta...

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Sure. I'm struck by the similarity to an argument I have used elsewhere. You take your car to a mechanic to have a clunking noise in the engine looked...

Yes - again, I agree. I don't much care about Paul's soul, though.

That's the modus tollens reading. While you may be right - she is obtuse enough to have argued in favour of law-bound morality by on the face of it ar...