Banno

@"path"'s avatar is beautiful, despite not being a real person. So why not the conversation?

...Just what I would expect the software to say...

Well, I'm convinced. So let's flip Turing's little test: Can you prove you are not a synthetic conversation partner? :wink:

Relax - it's just the software talking. :wink:

No great loss.

@"Path" I'm old enough to remember ELIZA. What better place to test a synthetic conversation partner than on internet fora? And philosophy forums are ...

...corresponds to the proposition "rustling plastic implies impending treats".

For example...

But what if you met a synthetic philosopher? And they were erudite, interesting and challenging? Perhaps you have. What avatar might she choose?

...as if we never spoke about stuff. That's what the use is.

A synthetic religion, if it were one that kept the "others" content, might be worthwhile. A synthetic philosopher would be... disturbing. And yet also...

They are true.

Good for you. You win today's Fractured Terracotta Cup. https://previews.123rf.com/images/sabuhinovruzov/sabuhinovruzov1804/sabuhinovruzov180400105/98...

I think it's the same.

Four possibilities: Janus believes Banno has a front door Janus believes Banno does not have a front door Janus does not believe Banno has a front doo...

Yeah - so does a belief have to be held before the mind in some sense. Tried that discussion before with @"Isaac". Did you believe that my house has a...

Were @"creativesoul" talks of "all belief consists of correlations drawn between different things" he seems ot me to say nothing more than that belief...

Bye the way... Check out Generative_adversarial_network NIce. :up:

Still speaking off the top of my head... So a reflexive belief would be one in which... Well, every belief is a relation between an agent and a propos...

Well, off the top of my head... Biological naturalism Computationalism Mind–body dualism Eliminative materialism Emergent materialism Emergentism Epip...

Speaking roughly... It seems to me you want to be able to distinguish the beliefs of animals from those of people, using language in some way. You tri...

Here's a distinction worth making - that between beliefs about how things are, and beliefs about what is believed. On the one hand we have the cat bel...

Music to mine ears.

Oh, I do. When I try to put your argument together, it looks something like "not physical realism, hence Metaphysical Idealism". Which is a bit like "...

Ok.

If you like. @"creativesoul" wants to make this a pivotal distinction. I think it small. More interesting is that there cannot be an inexpressible bel...

Hrmph. It's potentially deceptive to say these are two kinds. Beliefs which have not been "expressed linguistically" can be expressed linguistically.....

The fluid example seemed to me to show only one case. https://www.mathwit.com/math/m2/pluginfile.php/15070/mod_page/content/3/Pythagorean%20Theorem%20...

Anyone else notice that the OP does not mention idealism? What's that say about the argument?

:up: Descartes' very bad idea.

Trite.

Yep. Indeed, the method of OC is far more important and interesting than any conclusions that it might be thought to draw. It's important to realise t...

A text to be treated with great caution. Reality tends to delineate what we can and cannot construct, despite our best efforts.

I see a difference in scope. Understanding that the floor is solid is straight forward. Understand that "The floor is solid" is true requires that one...

Well, yes, in the end it is presumably something physical... But how, that remains an unknown. Isn't it also "in" the house and the apple? The size re...

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What? He doesn't understand that "The floor is solid" is true. The would require language. He understands that the floor is solid.

Perhaps thought experiments are a tool, and used poorly produce poor results. I have much sympathy for your animosity towards misused trams.

Yep. He shows that in his behaviour.

Jack believes that... then the proposition.

How would Banno answer that question? You should know by now.

I don't think that such an eventuality would be a good thing.

Here is the tram problem in its infancy: http://www2.econ.iastate.edu/classes/econ362/hallam/Readings/FootDoubleEffect.pdf Interesting that Foot is no...

But having said all that, words do change. Gravity, as a case in point, so that one does not forget the gravity of the situation. Hence it might be th...

Ah! Cool. There's much liability for confusion thereabouts. Does showing have a broader reach than saying - are there things that can be shown but not...

Good post. Made be go back and reappraise. So I'll go back and set out what I'm claiming. Firstly that beliefs can be understood as a relation between...

Maybe.

Cheers. I'm now unsure of your understanding of nonlinguistic beliefs - and since you are my go-to person with regard to Ludwig, I'd value your opinio...

Maybe tomorrow.

...while for others, myself included, it is "To take it as true that...". Ant there's the rub. And in the end if you are going to use the word one way...