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Seems you want to go fishing. Not my cuppa.

Yeah, we can. Bet you never had a perforated bowl. Them suckers hurt. But curiously, the pain felt like having a very, very full bladder. Take the dru...

Thats... sorta what I said. Belief statements are, all of them, beliefs that some statement is true. Or, if you prefer, beliefs are expressible as a b...

Yep. And each belief statement has a statement within the scope of the belief.

Couldn't you have found a more obscure example? I think you need to put more effort in. Sure, substitution salva veritate. Fdrke might not believe "Sc...

It has to be both.

OK, we can work with that. First, does a submarine experience the phenomenal character of sonar? I guess we might agree that it doesn't. And does a ba...

Fdrake believes that "snow is white" is true. "snow is white" is true IFF snow is white. Hence, Fdrake believes that snow is white. It amounts to the ...

This is the more promising approach. So the first is the phenomenal character of the experience. Now if that is the taste of the coffee, then it is cl...

Yep. Nice that we agree. Thanks for expounding our view.

Oooo, nice. But it's late here, so I'll have a think on that and reply later. Good reply.

I'd like to return to this:

I smell Stove's Gem.

It's like defining a cat as an animal with claws.

What do you think? Posit an example, and we can have a look.

Conversations with @"Olivier5" are like that. Nothing happens.

That's pretty much it. We use talk of beliefs in order to explain human behaviour. We can extend this to cats, but the belief is not a thing in the mi...

You there? I'd really like to know where this was going. When you have a minute.

What is there that cannot be characterised as "correlations drawn between things"? And if so many functions have this characteristic, what's the point...

Then your concrete and abstract looks like what I'd call extension and intension, after Frege.

We could define "Alice kicked the ball" in extensional terms; Alice is one of the things that kicked the ball. If we do so, is there nothing left that...

This goes to the approach I've been advocating; that there can be different ways of talking about the same thing, which need not be reducible, one to ...

Yep. And?

Stuff that happens is propositional - you can put it in a statement. I get that you might take a line similar to Patricia Churchland, such that neural...

Gonna be no trouble getting the century.

...which are statements.

You might be skirting about Bayesian analysis, which hangs on belief. What you describe is reminiscent of the function of neural network; neural netwo...

Does it really have to be pointed out that any belief that A is a beleif that A is true?

No, you havn't. YOu've just presented some fumbling words about faces... ..."I believe that's a nose", written badly.

You've just greatly enlarged the scope of belief... Do you really form a belief that you will now look at your keyboard, and then look at your keyboar...

I think this correct; consider: http://cogprints.org/254/1/quinqual.htm

I don't see how. Any belief is a belief that... and the "that..." is always a proposition. What more argument could you want?

There's something here for everyone! I haven't much commented on @"Andrew M"'s posts because I found little there with which to disagree. Concrete thi...

"My cup is behind the laptop" is true only if my cup is behind the laptop. Hence, A is true only if B, and so C. Thanks for your involvement. The argu...

Ah, cheers. SO we arrive at Now this is something I have struggled with, hence my somewhat negative comment. Perhaps a way to proceed would be to look...

That belief is a propositional attitude is not up for debate. It's just part of the logic of belief.

Cheers. That's as I thought. But I still like my armchair.

It would be if I were not setting out explicitly how I am using the word.

No, your account wants for nothing. It is incoherent, and hence not an account.

Then stop obfuscating. A belief is an attitude towards a proposition. A cat cannot have an attitude towards a proposition, and hence cannot have a bel...

Too poetic.

It's Olivier's "nothing but" that is decrepit.

That post looks like a fumble. At best you might argue that beliefs are attitudes towards states of affairs. But then I would just show how to reduce ...

No. What goes on between the ears is irrelevant. That's rather the point pushed by PI, that it's what happens that counts, not what goes on in heads. ...

What? As in, those first two paragraphs make no sense to me. Especially that second one - is that a quote? Where from?

So, take your own advice and set it out literally.

@"Isaac" might disagree, which would be interesting. Presumably, for example, there are neural structures in place in a new born that permit the devel...

Too obscure to be funny...?

The cat can't form an attitude towards a proposition, because it cannot form a proposition. That is, it can't believe it is hungry, but it can be hung...

Ha! Might steal that line. But just to be sure, the first mention of it all being between the ears, so far as I am aware, was here: So the goals were ...