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Love an OP that both sends one off in a new direction and ties things together. So you proffer a critique of Gödel's theory of maths, which raises the...

Yep. "Cult" is what the official religions call their new competition. You were persecuted for doing the right thing. Religions do that, sanctimonious...

Good account. it interests me how many times Socrates reached a similar conclusion to Wittgenstein; that there was no suitable account of whatever was...

If you are looking for a reason to have kids, apart from wanting to have kids, then you are not ready to have kids.

~~ Excuse the tone. I'm a bit pissed at the "Wittgenstein is wrong 'cause I haven't read him" posts. Philosophy is difficult. If you are going to star...

Seems we have a miscommunication, then. Must be something to do with context... As in, you're playing tennis with a cricket bat.

What? I didn't mention black cats in the article either. Should I do a re-write? Or you could choose to present something relevant.

Have you understood that this is a misrepresentation of Wittgenstein? Have you read https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/wittgenstein/#LangGameFamiRese ...

No, he isn't. "Context"? FFS.

doesn't seem to be even on the same cricket pitch, let alone playing the same game. Cheers. I think it better than the present article; but it is orig...

Yep, but there is a hint of something better in the OP. Definitions by genus and differentia being replaced by definitions in conjunctive normal form ...

Information is not meaning.

Seems we have a rough sort of agreement. What was your point here?

Hang on; put that together: "To convey a meaning is to alter what is expressed, hence there is, must always be something that is expressed, something ...

Why?

This maintains the misleading reification that there is a something that is expressed, something reproduced. It isn't always so. Better to say somethi...

The original Wiki article I wrote.

Sure. Set it up. Although I suspect that we will be approaching the topic in quite different ways.

Tractatus, 6.4

Yes. Roughly what I paraphrased. But from your comments I doubt you are open to it.

Why do we have two terms - "information" and "meaning"? How do they differ, what do they have in common?

Yep. More detail: What I would avoid is falling into the notion of meaning as the movement of something from one place to another. (Edit: - like that....

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Oh, Ok. Then I'll address my remarks to @"Joshs"; "convey" implies that something moved from here to there, so one might be tempted to ask what it is ...

From where, to where? Display might be a better choice. I like the quote. :up:

Nor I.

So what is "hello" a symbol for? Are you claiming that "hello" names something?

I don't agree - in so far as I understood this. One might be tempted to think the muso "hears" the way they want the song to sound, and engages in a f...

Just stop using those terms. See Intersubjectivity; also Subject and object:

I'll agree with this, but add that it is by way of a definition of meaning. Music and visual arts can can of course still be profound. There is a stro...

:up: I've shared this feeling that @"Mww"'s comments are somehow incomplete.

Interesting to see you working through this. I still think that your friends are giving primacy to the subjective, and that this is a mistake. What is...

Yep. IS that somehow an objection, or are you just elucidating what was said? A defence of Art History? This is far from simple, and overly intellectu...

Indeed.

...thanks for sharing...? Yes, we can even talk about it when we don't share similarities in taste. Odd, then, that some folk say we can't share.

Returning to the OP I think your intuition here is good. You talk in terms of cognition. In the middle of last century there was a move to rephrase is...

Here's where this discussion generally leads, Aidan. To a division between those who think there is something more to be said and those who think it c...

Let's look at the "senses" of share at work here. We open the armagnac and share it - we might talk about sharing the experience of drinking. Then thi...

The OP is just confusing two quite distinct notions, consciousness and intelligence. With a dash of ableism thrown in.

Explain the equivocation. (Cheers to whichever Mod did the adulting here.)

Because you cannot describe the cognac exhaustively, using words, you cannot share the experience of the cognac? Worst host ever. Keeps the cognac to ...

Sure.

Actually I was paraphrasing Wittgenstein. Perhaps you ought read him.

Popular opinion ranked highest, then shibboleths, then vested interests. Presumably the influence of Murdoch is the capacity to form popular opinion. ...

PDF of the report: https://grattan.edu.au/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Gridlock-Grattan-Report.pdf Still reading it.

A verdict?

If I understand that correctly, it is exactly wrong; the opposite of what is the case. Being dead is not something you will live through or experience...

But see the recent backflip of the ALP. negative gearing and capital gains tax Getting rid of good policy. John Daley's point is that inaction is now ...

You're welcome. I don't see any progress in explaining this.

Cool video. But no, perception is not paraconsistent, although there might be interesting paraconsistnt descriptions of perception.