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I might have to wait for the children's version... Part of the philosophically interesting stuff has been the extent to which cognition involves the s...

Ahhh. Ok, the penny drops for me. I think I need more on the basic statistical framework for the Markove boundary. It's at the edge of my understandin...

Yes, I'll go with that. For Sartre, Marxism. But I think virtue ethics will suffice; a virtue being how we want to be, and hence authenticity remains ...

That's less egocentric than other renditions. In Sartre's terms values make demands on us, yet we must choose which of those demands we will meet. So ...

If you like. In which case philosophical issues consist in folk attempting to express inexpressible intuitive answers.

Yes. Perhaps @"Isaac"'s hidden states are not the same as @"Michael"'s. Or the error may just be mine. I'm puzzled by what seems an ambiguity.

, ; so it becomes clear that there are two senses of "hidden state" at work here. One is neumenal, the other statistical.

I've not been able to get a clear idea of this argument. Can you set it out? It seems to me to draw on an odd notion of relations. Perhaps a new threa...

Yes! Hence "that which appears to us in itself" leads nowhere, signifies nothing. The question is ill-formed. Antigonish.

Of course for Wittgenstein, if we construe the grammar of sensation as object and designation, then the object - the "private subjective experience"-d...

So what do you think - is there something hidden in plain sight, so to speak? What?

My question is, what is it that is hidden here? We have quite detailed descriptions of the process.

Have you noticed the thread on the elephant in the room? Jackson wrongly attributed the phrase to Aristotle, and seems to have misunderstood the use o...

What sort of thing is this "hidden state"? What is it that is hidden? What is added to the description by including this word? If there is a "hidden s...

...it depends... What is it about this mooted state that is hidden? Whatever it is, cannot be said... and hence amounts to nothing. The problem with t...

Then I will count you as a realist, for the purposes of eggs and chairs and stuff like that. But for maths, I'll join the anti-realists. You may too i...

So answer me this: are there true propositions of which we do not know the truth value? Not a trick question. I think that there are, when we talk abo...

DO you really think that the view described as "enactivism"view is a form of idealism? I suspect that you are expressing much the same view as @"Isaac...

Indeed, I agree. It's an egg in a fridge. It might, as things go, be perceived by some cook or chook, but that is incidental and not relevant to it's ...

:rofl:

That's not right. Ovoids are a shape - the negative pedal curve of an ellipse with eccentricity e<=½, I'm told. I really do find that argument risible...

No. Rather, I've no clear idea what oviod-as-seen might be as distinct from ovoid. So the egg is not ovoid? What could "mistaken" mean here?

and yet shape is not constituted by experience, as would have to be the case if idealism were true. Idealism needs it to be the other way around: expe...

You might prefer to say the representation is distributed. In any case, it is clear that what goes on in a neural network looking at a cup is not at a...

Yeah, it does. If you set up a neural net to, say, add two numbers, nothing in the processing represents the numbers in the way that von Neumann archi...

So your argument is, if the Tractatus is wrong, then it is wrong. Sure. As for your points 1-3, you are making exactly the point made in the tractatus...

I say that because that's how neural nets work.

Again, it pays to consider a wide range of examples. I think your argument here has complications caused by colour being a secondary quality. Try maki...

Why shouldn't we do both, with care? If Wittgenstein agrees with us that there are problems with the Tractatus, let's acknowledge that.

What's that, then? Weightings in neural networks. You are thinking in terms of brains containing representations, but neural nets are not representati...

How the James Webb deep field images reminded me the divide between science and art is artificial

That's it.

Fuck no. How many more times will you post to explain how uninteresting this all is? :wink: There is a philosophical trap in explanation. Look up a wo...

Then it is hard to see what substantive disagreement you have with @"Isaac". This seems to be the salient issue: there is a world that is a mess of wa...

Excellent post. So many of the issues with the "laws of thought" were dissipated by Frege. His logic clarifies the distinctions muddled with here.

Many a philosophical conundrum derives from considering a limited set of examples. That's the case with "colour" here. You and the bird see the eggs d...

"It's quantum" has much the same utility as "God did it".

Well, the standard reading, after Anscombe, would maintain that elementary objects can't properly be said to even exist - they are "shown" by their re...

That seems to be beside the point.

An example. On the table is a cup with on. handle. The realist and the idealist agree that "the cup has one handle" is true. In the cupboard is anothe...

Dude, they measured absorption lines in an atmosphere 1,500ly away.

Meh.

This is your view, and not exegetic. Ok. Speaking exegetically, the theory of descriptions and the Tractatus both hold that the elementary objects are...

OK, that was ill-expressed on my part. Perhaps my question will be clearer if I set out my change in thinking over the course of this thread. What I a...

So they measured the light of a star as it passed though the atmosphere of a planet 1,500 light years away, and by the absorption pattern they found, ...

Dang feed is slow. Any one else watching and waiting? Here it is: https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/thumbnails/image/main_image_deep_field_smac...

Sure, all that. It's not clear to me what you are saying, or even if you are agreeing or disagreeing with the suggestion I made. Maybe I need more cof...

Interesting post, a different direction. For exegetic purposes, Russell, and hence Wittgenstein, where reacting against Bradley. I think you may have ...

Spot on. One of the best examples of how logic can make our everyday language clear.

Hmm. I am no longer clear as to what you are saying. From what you wrote, we agree that objects and names are not what folk mean when they talk of the...