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Nor do I. It's not ineffable; the T-sentence sets it out exactly.... Is that true? And so on. I suspect you have an interesting point to make, but exa...

So you do not take your own assertions to be true? Ok, then. I had thought you at least sincere...

Nice.

If the statement itself is what makes the statement true or false, then truth and falsity have nothing to do with anything outside of statements... In...

Not so much. The notion of meaning can be dropped. We use the words to make true statements. 'P' is letters or sounds. P is a use of 'P'.

I think this is a point of divergence from @"bongo fury". But I am not sure. I'm not sure of what he is proposing.

We use the word. On the left of the T-sentence is a string of letters, the same ones used on the right; and in between we have "...is true only if..."

https://i-6uf0utvje8gy-cdn.plushcontent.com/uploads/resized/files/eg/sjaqga11ueozk0rw.jpg Seems to me that this is an attempt to explain truth in term...

But is there a need to maintain a separation between the way things are in the world and our true statements about the way things are in the world? Se...

Thanks. Heres' my problem: what sort of thing is "that which determines whether a statement is true or false"? Because I think it clear that if anythi...

Nor I - hence my disclaimer:

So... 'there are plums in the icebox' is true if and only if there are plums in the icebox. Presumably - and here I am just trying out the apparent id...

Well, then, what are you claiming? Back to this: The main function in a T-sentence is the truth functional operator "?", not "=". So indeed, p is not ...

I missed who had their plums in the icebox - I haven't read the whole thread, it having grown explosively while I slept, and my being preoccupied with...

Parallel lines don't touch... Here's Truth and Meaning.Let me know what you think. Davidson takes on questions unaddressed by Wittgenstein.

The thing about correspondence is that of course it is true... provided we don't pretend that it tells us anything about truth. Hence the utility of r...

CC?

Of course. A sophomoric reply for a sophomoric issue. Truth only ever admits of degrees... of truth. If what is suggested is an attempt to escape trut...

Tautologies look to be an obvious counterexample. What is the something in the world whose existence entails that truth (p v ~p)? Truthbearers look li...

There's something in there about the separation of facts and true propositions that chimes with my discussion with @"Sam26". As if in the T-sentence, ...

, I never could see much of use in the notion of truthmakers. Can either of you explain what they are for?

So... that's partially true? Are you certain of this? To what degree? Your argument, of course, applies to your own remarks, and so if it undermines e...

When I see a philosophical thread with the words Omniscient or God, I think "that's not philosophy". What we have here is a failure to parse stuff wel...

Yes, that seems to be so.

Not at all a priori. Just terminological assumptions. The p in Kp is a proposition.

So now you seem to be saying he is an antirealist...

There's more to Philosophy than Wittgenstein. Davidson seems to take much of the Investigations as read, and then to ask "where now?" Davidson is a so...

...and your belief is that you hold "Rory Gallagher is the best guitarist ever, it's true" to be true... Indeed, you are making an assertion, and maki...

The common feature of antirealism is not attributing a truth value to unknowns. So a realist will say that "there is a teapot in orbit around Jupiter"...

Well, you can. You know that her age is 30 even if it might have been that she was 29. There's no paradox here.

Well, yes, you are saying that in some possible world here age might not be 30. The congenital problem with possible worlds is that folk over interpre...

Kp is read as "x knows p", where p is a proposition or a statement. So implicitly Kp is "x knows that the statement p is true". . When you say you kno...

I feel for you, arguing in two directions by having to explain a fairly simple notation while trying to make a point with that notation to neophytes. ...

Seems as any pragmatic virtue truth accrues is a result of that logic. The redundancy of truth lends itself to an obvious rhetorical response: "So you...

Is that the right parsing? If you know that p then p is true, after all, and you could not be wrong about p being true, even if p, in some other possi...

While I appreciate your efforts, I'm too far removed from Hegel to see the relevance of your explication. You've lost me.

I've a keen interest in reconciling Wittgenstein and Davidson. Been at it since I were a lad. In a way Davidson's semantic theory might be a more rece...

Oh, sure. I left the pragmatics as obvious, since we are focusing here on truth vales. Of course it is, as the pomos will and ought tell us. But equal...

Looks to be an extensional interpretation... Such interpretations are easy to work with, but lack nuance. Intensional logics allow terms to designate ...

Why not? Why post to a philosophy forum if you are not looking for criticism?

Of course you are right. But I will also go along with Davidson in pointing out that overwhelmingly, we agree about far more than we disagree. So you ...

Then where do we differ? Thats the interesting bit. I'm not sure that Davidson and Wittgenstein are at odds. Consider: Now if the world is all that is...

The difference might be the fading of the solipsism of the Tractatus in favour of the public language of the Investigations. The picture ceases to be ...

Then Hegel seems to be working with more than one sort of truth, with all the problems of consistency that would entail. So I'll stay with Frege and t...

It would be interesting then to apply Davidson's critique directly to the Tractatus and then the Investigations. Another Doctoral Thesis for someone. ...

My unsophisticated understanding of Hegel says truth is approached asymptotically; a notion at odds with my more analytic roots. For Hegel, sentences ...

Hegel. I'll here make an invocation prayer to @"Tobias", who knows such things. Tobi, is Hegel really an idealist? What is idealism, for Hegel?

So here's the issue, since Davidson shows the notion of differing conceptual schemes to lack coherence. If we are to say that these pictures or models...

:grin: You are brave, saying that out loud... But it should get your thread a dozen more pages.

Not about Hegel. Not an area I'll claim to understand. But idealism is tied to antirealism, and hence assumes a grammar in which some statements have ...