Banno

@ Yep. This might be the problem: This is not quite the same as saying a fact is a true statement. "Most of us" would do well to look at a broader ran...

1. snow is white - fact 2. "snow is white" - sentence 3. "snow is white" is true - fact 4. '"snow is white" is true' - sentence. You seem to think tha...

~~ Not quite right. I don't think I've said that the sentence is a fact. Again, 1. snow is white - fact 2. "snow is white" - sentence I agree. They ar...

The world is the totality of facts, not of things (Tractatus 1.1). Rivers are things. Things are not facts.

A river isn't a fact. It's a river. That the river is flooding - might be a fact. "The river is flooding" would then be a true sentence. Yep.

We wombats tend more to https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5a519788cd39c3cc6eae63c0/1603153937259-SR6MFOFRH5ETDO0FWTZT/eats-roots-and-leave...

And?

Sure. Truth became the translation for veritas. So the Latin word for truth, with the root *were-o-, came to be translated into English by the word fo...

Does it count as a coin? (Searle)

Fair call. Cheers.

This thread is not going well. You seem to lack the capacity to stay on your own topic.

Ok, change the example to a coin. There's a categorical difference between a dollar and a piece of metal. Which do you have in your pocket?

Our exporting buttloads of coal seems mainly to be supporting dysfunctional and monomaniacal billionaires.

And yet here you are. What will you do now?

So... you have no choice as to how you act? Then there is no point in discussing your reasons, since they can make no nevermind...

https://i-6uf0utvje8gy-cdn.plushcontent.com/uploads/files/bj/m8mbchh8bzil9kh2.jpg It's all the arrows. What are they doing? Each of them seems be be d...

So if I say "thank you", does it just look like I'm being nice for ? :wink: Cheers. Take care.

Deflection. My cat said "Phrrrp".

Ought one be driven to dominate the environment?

We've been here before, and this is as far as our discussions ever proceed. If there is an equaviocation, you ought be able to set it out by making it...

But you havn't been able to set out an equivocation. I point to the that. You say " Are you pointing at the knife or the piece of metal? Stop equivoca...

Seems as you are setting up a grammar in which will to power is doing what you want and morality is doing what others want. So let's add ethics - doin...

And? Be explicit.

1. snow is white - fact 2. "snow is white" - sentence 3. "snow is white" is true - fact 4. '"snow is white" is true' - sentence. No equivocation. You ...

That is muddled. Are you pointing at the knife or the piece of metal? I can have it both ways because it works both ways.

...and? So we agree on this?

What's that? Are you saying that it is not a fact that snow is white?

But a wise fellow once said, concerning pointing,

Yeah, but that snow is white is a fact. snow is white - fact "snow is white" - sentence "snow is white" is true - fact '"snow is white" is true' - sen...

A piece of metal is a knife. The string of words is a fact. It's not that case that there is only one way to talk about the metal, the knife, the stri...

I'll take that point, but make anther. Trust - and honesty - stand in much the same relation to all our utterances, not just to statements. Even disho...

True, trust and tree have the same root: "be firm, solid, steadfast" It's in the illocutionary force isn't it?

A careful unpacking of the notion of truth is what is needed. Part of that would be an unpacking of making statements. First cab off the rank is that ...

But you are new to philosophy...

Practical at the least in division of labour.

Yeah, I replied to it here. The flow is a dog's breakfast after mod intervention. I started a thread specifically on the logic of truth, with the aim,...

Yeah, you'll have to buy the book instead of watching the video. Damn.

He is setting up exactly that as one topic of Chapter 4.

...here it is: Making the Social World, p. 27, italics in original. That whole book is worth a read, and might go towards avoiding our descent into th...

Good, keep watching Searle. He'll help you work through this incoherence. There was a quote...

Nice.

We live in troubled times.

Meh. Like any curmudgeon I habitually complain about falling standards every six months or so. I had an outline for the way that thread would grow, co...

You have a science background, yes? What you have written is a start, but there is much conceptual refinement that is missing. You might enjoy Quine's...

Leaving us to speculate. He always was a prescient fellow. Perhaps it's time for the rats to be leaving.

THis was addressed to my opening post on the now closed thread on the logic of truth.. Yes. Logic is a seperate topic to metaphysics and epistemology....

All this shows is your lack of familiarity with work of Tarski.

There you go again, claiming belief is not propositional then giving examples of animal beliefs, as if "the mouse went behind the tree" were not a pro...

So can you set out, succinctly, why they are wrong? Not that I disagree...

Madness amongst the mods. We are apparently banned from discussing the logic of truth. :roll: