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SO you are claiming that what is good stands in some sort of relation to something that is alive? What is the nature of that relation? "To live! To su...

What do you think a concept is? A thing in your head? Then how is it that you and I can be said to have the same concept?

I pretty much agree. The critique in Gellner misfires.

Have a read of Moore's Principia Ethica. Then Philippa Foot. Then Martha Nussbaum. , good to see that you have done some reading. Tell us, what in you...

About what?

There's an obvious difference between doing what is good and doing what you want.

Too much on the Tractatus.

In case there is some doubt as to correlation, here's a couple of interesting maps. https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/13680.jpeg Which...

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From six years ago: And

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You attribute intent to LLMs. That's at best premature. LLMs have no idea what it is to tell the truth, any more than they know how to lie. They do no...

Nice. It seems there is something going one here, then.

Seems to me to leave you wide open to being misled.

The mooted primacy of assertion over other locutions? I don't see any reason to think of assertions as more central or foundational than commands or q...

Another few words about force. Since Newton, a force changes the movement of an object. We have a pretty clear notion of what that means. Someone can ...

Sure. There are at least two places where something is done with a statement. The first is that somethings are spoken about, and not others - the stat...

Just to be sure, the reason I introduced talk of illocutionary force into the discussion was to give @"J" and others something by way of context again...

Well, it's trivial, yep. And it can give you an idea of what you are doing when you say something is "true" - you are talking about sentences, at leas...

Maybe a more direct example will help. Consider "Frank posts on PF". Here is a list of folk who post on PF. "Frank posts on PF" will be satisfied if a...

"Grass is green" will be satisfied if grass is one of the things listed in the things that are green. If you understand that, you understand what it w...

By way of an excuse, I can't offer a sharp argument against whatever is being asserted in this thread when not only is there no consensus but little b...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaLyasJPyUU

Well, yes... that was kinda the point. The grass will be green in the case in which being green is satisfied by grass. It's a conditional, and hence "...

From my first post

Well, yes. What of it? We have the propositional content and we have the propositional attitude. Folk here say Kimhi thinks there is a "force" not cap...

Yes, understood. But you do know what "the sun rises in the east" is about, as much as "the sun rises in the north" or "the sun does not rise". These ...

Yeah, agreed, but it covers much the same territory. Instead of talking of illocutionary force we might talk of propositional attitude. What's at issu...

Again, yes. And how does this relate to assertoric force? What is assertoric force? It's not the illocutionary force of making an assertion...? It's n...

Yep, all that. We learn to use a language by using it. So what is the force in assertoric force? Is what you are claiming that the assertoric force is...

Could that be becasue the question is muddled? Not everyone. Very few, I suspect. To remove the "assertoric force" is to remove whatever it is that ma...

So it is making an assertion. Attaching an illocutionary force. Doing something with the proposition.

If this is so, then Kimhi is using "proposition" for what others call an "assertion". And his argument reduces to his inability to distinguish what th...

Ok, this might be informative. Firstly, there is a large body of literature for these issues, so it is not the case that these are ignored by logician...

Thanks! So we are talking about illocutionary force - a force that "...having its own existence..."? So in what way does a proposition "exist"? I can ...

Nor can I. If it is just the illocutionary force involved in making an assertion, then it seems reasonably clear, but then what is Kimhi worried about...

What is Frege's notion of assertoric force, and how was it mucked up, and did subsequent developments of the notion of "force" not address those probl...

If the thesis is false, then there is a thesis. But, what is the thesis? Since "assertoric force" remains obscure, it remains unclear what the problem...

It's not at all clear what "classical" analytic philosophy might be, nor what the argument(s) against it might be, and certainly not that they succeed...

yep. Putting this discussion in terms of thought rather than statements or propositions is problematic in all sorts of ways, to do with the sort of is...

To be clear, Frank seems to be saying that since we do not know which cat is being spoken of, "the cat is on the mat" is not an example of a propositi...

But you just did.

I agree. Wild. But is this anything more than an odd piece of of biography? If you are incapable of entertaining a statement without deciding if it is...

This pleases me.

So "Put the cat on the mat!" is not truth apt, nor is "Is the cat on the mat?". They are not the sort of sentences that ordinarily might be considered...

...given the right circumstances.

What do you think "apt" means?

If you like. I disagree. A proposition is best thought of as a sentence that is truth apt. "The cat is on the mat" can be given a truth value, and hen...

Isn't it apt to be true, or perhaps false? Couldn't it be true, or perhaps false, in suitable circumstances? What more could you want?

I appreciate the style here. Yes, in an extensional context, ?~p ? ~?p, so far as I can make out. And belief is not an extensional context. So for bel...