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I don't see how to make sense of that quote in the light of the notion of satisfaction, which does define truth in many formal logics.

But perhaps not well.

I wasn't able to follow this.

You are welcome to go in such directions, of course. It's just not my cup of tea, too far removed from the original theme of this thread to hold much ...

The first thesis in answer to the question in the OP is, opposition to abortion derives from religious belief. So is there anyone here who is atheist ...

Oh, I don't know. Scientism and essentialism might be seen as things that dissipate with experience.

The question was Note "say".

No. That's the bit you are missing.

The thread has wandered around quite a bit. It might be worth returning to my opening post and the philosophical curiosities around it. Perhaps the co...

Agreed. You are learning. :wink:

Hmm. The problem is more general than that, to do with the NSW government failing to provide adequate health care in rural areas. But even given that ...

Why do you need to know? You don't trust her? https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-10-30/abortion-access-regional-australia-denying-women-health-care/1043...

Somewhat presumptuous of you. There's more than one issue here, of course, and many an intractable problem. In todays ABC news is a report concerning ...

For my part the focus on blastocysts shows the absurdity of claiming equality between two things that are so different.

And the answer is "yes" while the "offspring" is a cyst.

Yes. The question is loaded.

Sincere, perhaps, but consistent?

It seems you have shown that I had understood awry. It's not at all clear what their position is.

No one here is, I think, arguing that abortion be made compulsory.

You have an understanding of the nature of a loaded question. You are asking a loaded question. The aim is rhetorical, to "derailing rational debates....

Don't be.

@"Tom Storm", @"praxis", looks to be some form of essentialism - the idea that things have specifiable characteristics that make them what they are, a...

Hmm. I don't think I've sunk so low as that feeble comment - yet. The bit to about essentialism. It may be that you are an example of this - I don't k...

True enough. There'd be a good argument for having a fixed abortion thread, "All abortion arguments go here". I doubt if anyone would find this convin...

Presumably they do not like the conclusion, that abortion ought be permitted. Hence they look for arguments to reject what is apparent. They can only ...

Cheers, Oli. Attack me some more. It shows the weakness of your position.

It is simple, . Whatever right you grant the cyst is outweighed by the right of the woman carrying it.

But that is not what you are doing in that post. You are kidding yourself. If that is so, you should have no objection to it being removed so it can s...

You say I refuse to talk about rights. Here are the places I talked about rights in this thread. Whatever rights we might grant to a cysts, the rights...

Sure we can. More backstory: Again, if you cannot tell the difference, then that is an oddity about you, and an end to further discussion.

No doubt. Begging the question occurs when an argument's conclusion is assumed in the argument; when X is assumed in order to prove X. So your suggest...

Not at all. If you can't tell a zygote from Mrs Smith, there is little more to say.

When you find yourself asking a question such as this, it may be time to reassess your values.

Again, you missed considerable back story...

Again, if you decide that the cyst is of the same value as Mrs Smith, that is about you.

What a mess. There's little here with which one might work, and that little would require exorbitant effort to clarify. Cheers.

And that is a problem that is about you, not about the difference between Mrs Smith and a cysts. You deny the blatant difference before you. Then you ...

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What counts as a human being and what does not is an issue not of looking around and discovering something that is the case. but of making a choice. T...

Yep.

Whereas your whole argument is that X is immoral because it seems immoral to you? Or because you think your invisible friend claims it is immoral? Per...

That's just bullshit. Interesting that the libertarians hereabouts are so keen on controlling the very bodily autonomy of others. Women, specifically....

You OK?

Not sure what "subsequently" is doing here, but I agree that morality is about what we do. Then what basis do you have for deciding if an action is go...

More convolute theorising. So they get to make the decision. No one here is suggesting that we make abortion compulsory. Why? The person most directly...

Good. Now turn that into a general rule. Who is it we allow to decides the value of the cyst?

For our purposes here, use whatever you like. That a cyst is not of the same value as Mrs Smith remains true. If you need to call on mere definitions ...

Wait all you want. What counts as a human being is a decision, not an observation. If your beliefs lead you to count a cyst as of equal worth to Mrs S...

A foetus was killed.

You claim Moore is "a load of nonsense" then adopt the core of his thinking. Fine. An odd thing to say. Moral theory is about goodness, and about beha...