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The level of dishonesty here is extraordinary.
November 04, 2024 at 07:11
Frank, Spelled out here: Can you see it now?
November 04, 2024 at 05:37
Well done.
November 04, 2024 at 05:27
Yep. Sad stuff.
November 04, 2024 at 05:01
@"Leontiskos" is quoting stuff that is consistent with @"TonesInDeepFreeze" definition, but claiming that they disagree. Fucksake.
November 04, 2024 at 04:56
Yep. But it looks at first glance as if substitution into an ironic statement preserves truth value. A side issue.
November 04, 2024 at 00:12
Interesting. Can we substitute salva veritate into an ironic statement? Seems to work. If George is George Atkins then "George is going to open the st...
November 03, 2024 at 23:54
:wink:
November 03, 2024 at 23:24
Perhaps I misunderstood you. I had taken "it" and "the inference" to be the argument in the OP. Hence it appeared you were saying the argument in the ...
November 03, 2024 at 23:04
Good to see that the number of folk who think that argument in the OP valid has dropped from a third to a quarter. Still sad that it remains that high...
November 03, 2024 at 22:50
Neat. Not quite propositional, though, using modus ponens on a mass noun.
November 03, 2024 at 22:47
You've been busy...
November 03, 2024 at 22:21
Folk who understand that the argument is valid yet not sound will make no such conclusion. The argument presented in the OP is valid, and has the form...
November 03, 2024 at 03:00
Exactly that. If you modify the substitution rule to remove substitution of the same variable on both sides of a function, can you demonstrate that th...
November 02, 2024 at 23:49
Again, 1 is false, and your argument (1-3) valid but unsound.
November 02, 2024 at 22:56
Yep. Well for a start you would no longer be dealing with a complete version of propositional calculus... Too often this is an excuse for poor logic. ...
November 02, 2024 at 22:55
Only line 1 is not, ~A. It's A?~A. It's 1. A ? ~A (assumption) 2. A (assumption) 3. ~A (1,2,MPP) Not 1. ~A (assumption) 2. A (assumption) 3. ~A (1)
November 02, 2024 at 22:30
This is false. It corresponds to line two of the truth table given above.
November 02, 2024 at 22:20
The OP is a factual question, not an issues of opinion. The one-third of folk who think that the argument is invalid are wrong. As wrong as if they ha...
November 02, 2024 at 22:04
It seems folk think A ? ~A is a contradiction. It isn't. Here is the truth table for the contradiction A and not-A: https://i.ibb.co/w0rJkcz/image.png...
November 02, 2024 at 21:41
The OP uses propositional logic. In propositional logic, the argument is valid.
November 02, 2024 at 21:02
Allowing substitution of any well-formed formula is not a personal foible. It is how propositional logic works. (?, ? ?? ? ? ) for any well-formed for...
November 02, 2024 at 20:08
https://thephilosophyforum.com/discussion/11395/a-counterexample-to-modus-ponens/p1
November 02, 2024 at 05:28
Not the sort of thing I had in mind. Nor, frankly, am I inclined to go into details here, where simple substitution is apparently contentious. More ag...
November 02, 2024 at 05:09
A thread of mine attempted amongst other things to discuss plausible cases in which modus ponens might not apply. It was lost in misunderstanding, whi...
November 02, 2024 at 04:36
As Tones explained, it's not MP you have misunderstood, but substitution. MP is a rule of inference, saying that if you have ? and ? ??, then you also...
November 02, 2024 at 04:25
No, but it might make for shorter threads. As it stands the acrimony will only build. Good for thread length, of course. Hanover has not understood su...
November 02, 2024 at 04:14
We haven't left @"Hanover" any space to back down without loosing face. Bit of a shame. It is astonishing that a third of those who could be bothered ...
November 02, 2024 at 03:59
They don't say otherwise. But they do not specifically rule out any substitution, including ~A for B. Find one that does so, and you will have support...
November 02, 2024 at 03:10
is clearly mistaken. As is ChatGPT.
November 02, 2024 at 02:33
More evidence of ChatGPT's incompetence.
November 02, 2024 at 00:42
And in composing a post about it, cleverly constructing a paradox. Nice.
November 01, 2024 at 23:56
One-third of folk here think the argument invalid. Odd.
November 01, 2024 at 22:32
Reference? Yes, I'd enjoy being able to interrogate the data, although the sample size is a bit small. A similar survey could be done here using Surve...
November 01, 2024 at 22:18
Good question. I don't see a question in the survey that addressed this. After a bit more searching, there was also this: https://i.ibb.co/Yd0CMGH/ima...
November 01, 2024 at 21:55
Not at all. Despite being accused of engaging in a "polemic" by , I continue to think the issue both interesting and open: Do you think that the discu...
November 01, 2024 at 21:43
A curiosity I came across in the Philpapers survey. The analysis examines correlations with other questions, most of which are to do with anti-realism...
November 01, 2024 at 21:37
What should stand out in this discussion is that if there is one true logic, one true consequence relation. or definition of "correct logic", or a log...
November 01, 2024 at 21:15
@"Count Timothy von Icarus" Providing links or references to sources and quotes, and linking mentions, are basic courtesies. https://www.reddit.com/r/...
November 01, 2024 at 21:07
Well, validity is decided by giving a logic an interpretation. So that's pretty much correct.
November 01, 2024 at 01:33
Why are we having this discussion? Do you have anything to say that is to do with the topic?
November 01, 2024 at 01:22
Well, yes. "The notion of A correct logic" - singular.
November 01, 2024 at 01:21
Just to be clear, for other folk, Tim's question is loaded precisely becasue the notion that there is a "correct logic" for which a definition might b...
November 01, 2024 at 01:01
From my OP Don't be a goose.
November 01, 2024 at 00:41
As things stand, I doubt you have the capacity to tell who has a " basic understanding of the topic". You are trying to play "gotcha", but you've fumb...
November 01, 2024 at 00:37
:lol: A rough outline of a direction in which a discussion will go does not amount to a definition. In summary, in a discussion of logic, you are dema...
November 01, 2024 at 00:33
Where?
November 01, 2024 at 00:14
https://www.umsu.de/trees/#(~3G~5~3(P~5A)~1~3P)~5G
October 31, 2024 at 22:57
"Correct logic" is not a term defined in formal logic. That's rather the point here. You will not, for example, find a definition of "Correct Logic" i...
October 31, 2024 at 20:17
She uses "correct logic" a couple of times on the first page of Logical Nihilism and not at all in "One True Logic?". It's hardly central. If you want...
October 31, 2024 at 01:44