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Probably down to Hume, I don't see as that matters much. But values can be stated with certainty and measured.

Yep.

Seems to me that again there is an is/ought problem here. In so far as "levels of being" ascribes differing values to different things it is an evalua...

If so, then we can move on. In the SEP article the independent proof mentioned above is presented as having two types of assumptions, epistemic and mo...

I quite agree. If you don't mind I will go overt the argument again, just to make sure we agree on the basics. The SEP argument proceeds as follows: \...

Not happy with those. Again, I think it should be 1. The realist believes that it is possible for a truth to be unknowable 2. The realist believes tha...

You lost me. ?p(?(p ? ¬?Kp)) says "For all truths p, it is possible that p is true and it not be possible to know p" I think that should be "For all t...

So particular truths. While any particular truth might have been unknown, this is different to every given truth is unknown. Is that so?

I'm puzzled as to how to read this. Is it that it is possible for all truths to be unknowable or for some truths to be unknowable?

Very pleasing to see that the proportion of folk who think the OP argument invalid has dropped from a third to a fifth. That's four people - presumabl...

Well, I'll leave you to convince the physicists of that,

Cheers. There is more than one SEP article being waved about. That applies to TKP rather than KP. I don't agree that we only know things that are not ...

Your want a ghost to be the only thing that can collapse the wave function.

Humour me and provide a link. Which article?

I do not trust your ability to understand and present either what I am saying or what is saying.

Curious that thinks Davidson magical, but is happy with ghosts in machines.

No. You seem to think that a realist will say that nothing is knowable. Not following that at all.

Yep, it was a good essay. That doesn't make it right. Nope. I'm arguing that the realist/antirealist issue is a choice of language game, and that ther...

Yep. This is a pattern for Leon.

"...quantum!" :rofl: You know that what is to count as 'the observer' in "the fundamental role of 'the observer'" is a subject of debate. Yet you insi...

No, it doesn't. Although that time is passing does. Time passed before there were minds. That's kinda built in to the notion of there being a time whe...

What?!? That's silly.

That's an odd post. No, if all life disappeared, so would foxes. Foxes are (usually) alive. I haven't avoided the question - I answered it quite direc...

Indeed, the bit "everything else is undisturbed" kinda makes the point. One of the things that remains undisturbed is the gold at Boorara.

A shame that you need Kant's analysis of time here, which is wanting. Regardless, the argument does not depend on time. We can posit instead a space w...

...you do understand that what you have there is not my argument... it's yours. No, perhaps not.

Oh, yes, I noticed your selective quote. If you are really interested, as opposed to just a poor attempt at baiting, set out for us what it is you thi...

That's you, not I. You have misunderstood - again - the logic of the argument.

Love you too. If you are going start by misrepresenting what was said, there's not much point in chatting with you. Of course, it is entirely possible...

There it is.

Yep. Oddly phrased. It's unclear what it would mean for a truth to "exist" - it's not going to be the value of a bound variable. Nor is truth the sort...

Sure, whatever we assert relies on our cognitive framework. But the gold in Boorara doesn't. It'll be there, asserted or not.

It is true that there is gold in Boorara. If all life disappeared from the universe, but everything else is undisturbed, then it would still be true t...

Well, yes it was... that there are still facts even when no one is around.

Well, no, the facts concerning life would presumably have varied somewhat... but for the others, yes, and this only serves to show how much we would k...

A succinct and powerful rebuttal of Bishop Berkeley's "ingenious sophistry" in my opinion; a precursor to Moore's 'Here is a hand". Here it is again, ...

Yeah, it is: Are there truths when no one is around. You tried for a counterexample, but it doesn't work. Here we go with the defence of Kant yet agai...

...and you slide again. Try to stay on a topic. There is gold in Boorara. If all life disappeared from the universe, but everything else is undisturbe...

Ground control to Major Tom... Imagine that all life has vanished from the universe, but everything else is undisturbed. Then there would still be gol...

Moving from the topic at hand onto something less tractable, and derailing the line fo argument. Meh.

You seem to be moving around a lot. Apologising for Bergson?

Kantian bullshit. So you now admit to idealism, of the transcendental sort? ...Einstein disagrees.

It just seems to me that you are saying it wrong. The bit were a truth is a single-place predicate but a saying, acknowledging, seeing, maintaining an...

What could that mean? I think, as I just described to , that it is better - clearer, more coherent - if we do exactly the other. So the gold at the ne...

Yep. As I said ways back, it's about choosing how best to talk about medium-sized small goods. Better to supose that they do not cease to exist when y...

~ A little ambitious. You jump from that to there being a mind to do the "measurement", which is not justified. "Measurement" is a loaded term. And ye...

Remember when we went for a walk? It's not the existence of such "unseen realities" that relies on a perspective. That's your step too far. Yes, "what...

And by the same argument he can't prove he is right. What we have is a choice between ways of speaking, and hence between ways of understanding.

But you already agreed that there is stuff you don't know: There's a difference between it being true and being able to "name it, indicate it, bring i...

'Everything exists within experience' ~ Wayfarer ...this is where we came in.