Bartricks

Again, you're just presupposing that a 'good' economy keeps on going. That's absurd. What's better - an economy that keeps going for a million years b...

The selfish ones are parents who have kids for their own ethically reprehensible reasons and then expect others to subsidise their upkeep. The childre...

I don't rely on anyone to support me. I pay far more in tax than I receive in benefits. Unlike many parents. The fact is I am currently forced, by the...

No, where did I say that?

You asked me how it would be good for the economy. I explained. You ask me about a problem that would afflict the final generation alone. I explained ...

I don't understand your reply. How often do you wonder what a cup of tea thinks like? Never, I'll wager. Why? Because it is self-evident that extended...

Note too that this thread is about the 'ethics' of procreation - so, is it ethical for me to have a kid out of need to have someone to care for me whe...

That problem will afflict the final generation alone, and they'll have had plenty of time to make provision for it. You and I don't need to worry.

Note, THIS is to appeal to reason: 1. If someone says something that contradicts something in the Quran, then they are wrong 2. Bartricks has said som...

without using reason, explain how I'm wrong.

No it isn't.

You're confusing 'lasting economy' with 'good for the economy'. I take it that what's good for the economy is equivalent to what is in the economic in...

Also, what you've said is false - it's entirely possible for a text that promotes antinatalism to survive through every generation until the last. If ...

What bearing does that have on the ethics of it?

Why don't you say what you think, rather than telling me about what others might say? If everyone stopped procreating tomorrow the economy would boom....

you're trying to derail the discussion so that it becomes about what is and isn't off topic. Stop it - YOU are the only one who is off topic here.

Your case for antinatalism seems weak to me. Obviously I am an anti-natalist - I think procreating is one of the most despicable things most people wi...

Note too, that it is definitely 'off topic' to go on and on about how 'off topic' you perceive someone's posts to be.

As I have already said, you don't get to determine what this thread is about - the thread's title does that. And it is about whether procreating is et...

That's question begging. I am not off topic. And the reason you don't want to engage with my arguments is that you'd lose.

I don't disagree with Aristotle about that. But what Aristotle said there is a self-evident truth of reason. There are lots of self-evident truths of ...

Plus, if there is a god - and I'm convinced there is - then I think it is the ones who procreate that the god punishes. First, you'll be punished with...

Yes, that's why most people think procreation is ethically fine. That doesn't show that it is, though. It just shows that the intuition is dodgy. When...

Good people don't want to be dictators - they don't want to have to control the lives of another. It is undignified to live under someone else's contr...

Let's think about love - love of the good, healthy kind - for a mo. Love of the healthy kind is based on another person's character, deeds and shared ...

Here's an argument for free will: 1. If my reason and the reason of virtually everyone else represents something to be the case, that is good evidence...

Plato, I should add, believed we are necessarily existing things. So I am not alone in this view. It is also supported by other evidence. For instance...

I wouldn't start out by defining free will, as exactly what free will involves is a matter of inquiry. So it is something I think I have good evidence...

And loving someone else unconditionally is also bad - it is a sickness. You think you love your children, but you'd have loved any child you created. ...

It's what megalomaniacs want. They want to be loved regardless of their character - regardless of what they do, regardless of what kinds of qualities ...

I think something can exist by itself. Indeed, I think some things must be capable of this, otherwise nothing whatever could exist (and clearly some t...

You don't get to determine what is and is not 'off topic'. My comments - all of them - are on topic. Now calm down, pull your trousers up, and start a...

Why would the god be a coward? Maybe he hates us. I mean, that seems more plausible to me. The god doesn't want anything to do with us. Not cowardice,...

Just engage with the arguments and stop being so pedantic. Tell you what, I'll put some commas and apostrophes in the wrong places and then you can te...

If you want to be loved unconditionally, that's bad. You shouldn't want to be loved unconditionally. Furthermore, if you had a pill that would make so...

The thread asks 'is it ethical to have children' not 'is it ethical to have children due exclusively to concerns about global warming'.

Well if - if - it is wrong-making to do things that will accelerate global warming then having kids is obviously an activity that has that wrong-makin...

You can reject antinatalism until the cows come home, that won't make it false. On what rational basis do you reject my arguments? Do you deny that th...

I think there is free will. Those who think we do not have free will invariably arrive at this conclusion on the basis of this argument: 1. If everyth...

I think it is seriously wrong to have children. Most of those who have kids have them either for no reason whatsoever (which is incredibly irresponsib...