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Correct and that value is associated with her physical beauty that she chooses to put on display. So she has objectified herself, no?

Is a beauty pageant objectification? If so, is looking beautiful important to you?

That's where you're misguided. Remove the word sex for a moment. If your desire is to appear attractive either to yourself or someone else, then you h...

I was only going to add to that, the fear of the unknown. Of course the irony is, here, the nature of our own existence is largely unknown. To the OP,...

Hey TMF, try to be a little more discreet with your creepy peeping-tom activities :rofl: :joke:

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That's precisely why you should start another thread, because I would make the case that you're wrong :brow: But if you're scared, I understand.

LOL, I don't know about hanging himself but he should definitely have his man-card revoked, his gold jacket taken away, and be put on probation. :gasp...

Yeah good point. I was going to mention that relative to Middle East culture where women's clothing is designed to minimize or discourage sexual objec...

Hey Wayfarer! I'm trying to get up to speed on the discussion...who here is the Materialist?

The jist of my argument is that no matter how much we try to deny the value of aesthetics, it remains an integral part of the human experience/phenome...

And his crying is a sign that he/she receives pleasure through objectification, which is part, of the physical phenomenon of Love. But at that level o...

Materialism: the philosophical theory that regards matter and its motions as constituting the universe, and all phenomena, including those of mind, as...

Great questions CW. Why don't you start another thread. Call it something like: Ontology and Materialism: Subject-Object. BTW, I tried doing a search ...

Then please explain love-as-attachment cognition. Baby sees mom, mom leaves baby, baby cries? Is the infant objectifying the mother? I'm not following...

That begs the question, why would it be objectional if the object is a material object?

CW! Be cautious not to project too much there Ciceranus LOL. Read what I've been saying. It's a no-brainer, that exclusive objectification of women in...

Of course, it's a no-brainer there. But that's not what you or I were arguing. The point was you were in denial of the impact of physical appearances ...

The irony is we are treated like objects because we are physical objects. Can any physical object get objectified rightly or wrongly? Do you choose a ...

Possibility!! Let's see, well, if a woman asks her man if she looks fat in that dress, and he tells her the truth, do you think she will handle that t...

LOL :up:

For those materialists out there, how did consciousness emerge from a piece of wood?

Sorry for the multiple post my phone isn't working very well. Don't overthink this Possibility. The first point relates to the fact that an attractive...

Okay so in the context of objectifying the object what criteria is appropriate in both finding a life partner and having casual sex?

What would be the reasons why there are so many women in pornography? If it's to feed into the male narrative that sounds pretty empowering LoL

Correct me if I'm wrong but that is opposite of what you recommended in your earlier post. To paraphrase you you recommended to be bold and ask the wo...

I don't understand. Are you saying that if it looks like a duck walks like a duck and acts like a duck, that it's not a duck? Perhaps this question is...

Are you sure? Objectify: 1. to present as an object, especially of sight, touch, or other physical sense; make objective; externalize. 2. express (som...

CW! Thanks, but as I said, if that's the only definition, then one post should answer the question, right? Have you considered the philosophy of aesth...

And what do you presume I'm talking about viz physical human relationships?

fdrake! Not sure I'm follwing you there. Are you saying the feeling of colors (for example) is both an objectification of an object, as well as a meta...

Are you sure? Let's look at Architecture briefy. The interior designer establishes interior finishes, including paint colors. They propose colors base...

fdrake! Thanks I get that. That's obvious. If we were to agree to the standard definition, it could be answered in one post: unacceptable behavior. Th...

Correct. And that's my point. You make judgements based on objectification.

Yes, and I would submit you are lying to yourself. You seem to be making political statements based on an unrealistic ideology. Because sex is such a ...

That's not what I'm saying, read my earlier post to you... . You seem all twisted up over the ethical implications.... . I'm arguing one cannot escape...

Really? By all Objective appearances, absolutely. If a Doctor dresses the part, would you reasonably assume he was a doctor and thereby allow him to o...

Possibilty! With all due respect, this almost seems like a head game. I don't think that's your intention, and maybe I read it wrong. Firstly, I don't...

Great question! The irony is, you will find truth in mystery, paradox and contradiction. :scream:

Yep. Not sure what all the fuss is about. What did we do when we were in college; ate, slept, studied and had sex (I didn't party much). I remember on...

That's unfortunate, considering the hand you've been dealt. On the other hand, when I go to BK I typically see folks using two hands when handling the...

I don't have a problem with her. All philosophy / philosophers have strengths and weaknesses. For whatever reason I always felt that she would have do...

Okay, I am back :gasp: Are you certain about those things? For one, you appear to be suggesting that women and men do not care about their bodies enou...

Thanks for your replies. This is a fascinating subject but I only have time for a couple of quick true or false sound bites. And will resume discussio...

180! Are you joking? Why is that? Does that mean one can love a car, dog, house, or any other physically pleasing thing?

Really, can you explain that one? Think of it this way, when you go on a dating site, many if not all will say something like 'if you have no picture,...

For the most part , I respectfully disagree. If a man looks like a pimp, he just might be a pimp. If he looks like a football player, wrestler, musici...

How do both men and women escape that?

Good point, pretty despicable behavior. Maybe he was a sexually frustrated male...

:up: There is a difference between overthinking for thinking's sake and critical thinking. We all could use a little bit more of this : " It entails e...