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Not sure you've answered my question there... , are you saying that you would be going around in circles anyway? If the Big Bang had no causation, wha...
June 23, 2020 at 15:35
Not sure I'm following you there. For instance, take emergence or panentheism for example, how are life and mind irrelevant to the structure of the un...
June 23, 2020 at 14:02
KK! Interesting. Let's parse that one a bit more. Two thoughts come to mind here: 1. Are you saying God caused something- just not everything? 2. What...
June 23, 2020 at 13:51
Possibility! You have to curb your appetite for dichotomizing. Remember that human's have both mental and material agency. You seem fixated on the men...
June 23, 2020 at 13:36
Sure. No different than say, quantum mechanics, double-slits, and other observed phenomena... .
June 23, 2020 at 00:26
The car has material agency, hence, so does the woman (and man). But how do we escape material agencies? I would suggest rephrasing that to say 'witho...
June 23, 2020 at 00:09
With all due respect, your argument is not coherent. You may want to study, say, theoretical physics a bit more. Otherwise, Paul Davies, Roger Penrose...
June 22, 2020 at 23:38
Exactly. That's seemingly what Kenosha Kid is arguing LoL
June 22, 2020 at 23:30
Is the whole of your argument God didn't do it?
June 22, 2020 at 23:26
I agree with Devon's ...nothing more to say is there?
June 22, 2020 at 23:19
Yep, I spoke with God yesterday, and he told me that your level of ignorance is a little bit higher than mine. But I told him that I would pray for yo...
June 22, 2020 at 23:12
That's what happens when you troll threads my friend LoL
June 22, 2020 at 23:10
I agree with the OP!
June 22, 2020 at 23:10
We're talking about causation, numbnuts LoL
June 22, 2020 at 23:08
What does " intellectual honesty " mean? How do you know I'm being dishonest? Surely you're not trolling this thread are you? Now that I think about i...
June 22, 2020 at 23:07
Does that include atheism, as a religion? LOL
June 22, 2020 at 23:03
Okay. Here's your argument: " God did not cause everything and I don't believe in God therefore I don't believe in causation". Is that logic correct?
June 22, 2020 at 23:02
Interesting, so you can easily reject two plus two equals five, because you know that two plus two equals four. So please tell us then, where is your ...
June 22, 2020 at 22:42
With all due respect CW you are simply regurgitating the ethical, pathological, and/or dysfunctional stereotypes or stereotypical definition of object...
June 22, 2020 at 22:21
What is your view (biocentric/ecocentric)? Cosmologically, do you have a theory about what was happening before the Big Bang ( a timeless first-cause)...
June 22, 2020 at 19:57
How can we escape it then?
June 22, 2020 at 19:25
Great point! Are you then admitting that we cannot escape it?
June 22, 2020 at 18:59
Gnomon! Indeed, that's human pathological/existential phenomena that Possibily and Willow are underscoring (which is the popular objectification defin...
June 22, 2020 at 18:57
Not exatcly sure what you are asking CW, but there seems like there are two components then: The aesthetical experience, and the non-aesthetical exper...
June 22, 2020 at 18:40
It's not a dichotomization, of course. Plato did just that though, by, in paraphrase, introducing the idea of 'inner beauty' in this case. Then the ar...
June 22, 2020 at 18:34
It's not cultural, as much as it's Existential. You should know better Schop1 :yikes: How can we escape the world of aesthetic experiences?
June 22, 2020 at 15:56
That's not what Possibility suggested. She suggested stripper's engage in such activity to obtain economic and social value. If you wish to underscore...
June 22, 2020 at 15:49
Sorry for the delay. I was with my lady friend and we were enjoying objectifying ourselves this weekend, and appreciating our mutual attraction (aesth...
June 22, 2020 at 15:28
She didn’t choose to objectify herself, and she doesn’t deny herself agency. She chose to have value, which is the only way to even begin to be aware ...
June 19, 2020 at 19:08
Ha! Embrace your fears!! (Where's Poetic Universe when you need him... .) Or better yet, maybe some Freudian-speak would pass muster here... !
June 19, 2020 at 18:05
No one mentioned this so I'll posit: In broad brush terms, Ethics relates to objective standards for human happiness and quality of life issues/values...
June 19, 2020 at 16:54
Nice! Another consideration in the equation could look something like this. If the answer to the question is yes, then one could explore the concepts ...
June 19, 2020 at 16:40
Excellent, good job Benj96! I always said, in many respects, men and women are just children in adult bodies. The translation is what most call, being...
June 19, 2020 at 16:07
Agreed Schop1. That's called material agency. I believe one should rejoice in their material agency, or physical beauty. Sure there is going to be, in...
June 19, 2020 at 14:59
What boat did you just get off of? That's not reality. This is basic psychology 101. Learn coping skills. Life is like that boat. You can't control th...
June 19, 2020 at 14:27
That makes no sense. You seem to want your cake and eat it too. Meaning, you seem to be saying if I'm a race car driver, and I get hurt in an accident...
June 19, 2020 at 14:01
Indeed Schop1 ! And the phenomenal experience is the physical attractiveness (or unattractiveness) of the object itself. Sorry to interrupt, but commo...
June 19, 2020 at 13:49
And that value was what, to objectify her/himself? Logically, there's no other conclusion. Care to do a logical deductive syllogism? (The objectificat...
June 19, 2020 at 13:26
Thank you Hanover. That is a sort of in-the-trenches, existential view of reality. But a harsh reality nonetheless. And one salient point I was making...
June 19, 2020 at 13:20
Gosh where is all this angst coming from... Honey not all men think the way you think they think. Both men and women are sexual beings. Is there extre...
June 19, 2020 at 02:12
I was only kidding my brother! Your point about discouraging voyeurism is well taken. Love you man thanks for the thread... !
June 19, 2020 at 01:46
Correct. She's only responsible on how she reacts to it. But as TMF just alluded to, putting yourself in that position opens up the door for all sorts...
June 19, 2020 at 01:41
But if you're in a public restroom and the woman in the next stall to you says that your shit stinks should you take offense to it? Are they disrespec...
June 19, 2020 at 01:22
And what political or social contract precludes that response from other's (men) that bothers you?
June 19, 2020 at 01:13
The law of contracts simply states: a promise for a promise. As a stripper or male dancer the individual signs up to objectify themselves. If in this ...
June 19, 2020 at 01:02
What if there were no strippers at all, who then is the responsible party to sign the social contract?
June 19, 2020 at 00:46
And just so you know I'm equal opportunity. If I choose to be a male dancer I've chosen to objectify myself. And not only will I be judged as such, I ...
June 19, 2020 at 00:42
They absolutely do. In any relationship it takes two to tango. Otherwise all you seem to be doing is projecting your frustration with other women who ...
June 19, 2020 at 00:32
If it's not an objectification then why is the judging criteria partially consisting of swimsuits and evening gowns? In other words, brains in a vat w...
June 19, 2020 at 00:26
Then what was her purpose and intention?
June 19, 2020 at 00:18