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It is easily understood that the conflict over what is revered as the highest essence can be significant only so long as even the most embittered opponents concede to each other the main point — that there is a highest essence to which worship or service is due. If one should smile compassionately at the whole struggle over a highest essence, as a Christian might at the war of words between a Shiite and a Sunnite or between a Brahman and a Buddhist, then the hypothesis of a highest essence would be null in his eyes, and the conflict on this basis an idle play. --Stirner

A faith of this sort is not furious, it does not denounce, it does not defend itself: it does not come with “the sword”—it does not realize how it will one day set man against man. It does not manifest itself either by miracles, or by rewards and promises, or by “scriptures”: it is itself, first and last, its own miracle, its own reward, its own promise, its own “kingdom of God.” This faith does not formulate itself—it simply lives, and so guards itself against formulae. To be sure, the accident of environment, of educational background gives prominence to concepts of a certain sort: in primitive Christianity one finds only concepts of a Judaeo-Semitic character (—that of eating and drinking at the last supper belongs to this category—an idea which, like everything else Jewish, has been badly mauled by the church). But let us be careful not to see in all this anything more than symbolical language, semantics, an opportunity to speak in parables. It is only on the theory that no work is to be taken literally that this anti-realist is able to speak at all. Set down among Hindus he would have made use of the concepts of Sankhya and among Chinese he would have employed those of Lao-tse—and in neither case would it have made any difference to him.—With a little freedom in the use of words, one might actually call Jesus a “free spirit”—he cares nothing for what is established: the word killeth, whatever is established killeth. The idea of “life” as an experience, as he alone conceives it, stands opposed to his mind to every sort of word, formula, law, belief and dogma. He speaks only of inner things: “life” or “truth” or “light” is his word for the innermost—in his sight everything else, the whole of reality, all nature, even language, has significance only as sign, as allegory.—Here it is of paramount importance to be led into no error by the temptations lying in Christian, or rather ecclesiastical prejudices: such a symbolism par excellence stands outside all religion, all notions of worship, all history, all natural science, all worldly experience, all knowledge, all politics, all psychology, all books, all art—his “wisdom” is precisely a pure ignorance of all such things.---Nietzsche

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For me it's all about the ambiguity of "explanation." Is explanation anything more than increased prediction, control, and the linking of the unfamili...
January 06, 2017 at 04:59
This is a great issue. Our Western eyes are mouths these days. The lust is largely cerebral. The "money spirit" keeps lust in check and steers it into...
January 06, 2017 at 04:27
I don't think you see what I'm getting at. Consider, for instance, an individual or a community coming to regard the scientific method itself as autho...
January 06, 2017 at 04:08
I agree that we look for reasons. But I think eventually crash into brute fact as we seek the most general explanation. As I see it, we link events or...
January 05, 2017 at 21:19
I just don't want to add a "false" layer. Order looks to me like a brute fact. Along the same lines, saying God created Nature doesn't explain the bru...
January 05, 2017 at 21:06
Beautiful Russell quote. As far as lying goes, I think we can sometimes look back on our previous beliefs and describe these in terms of our lying to ...
January 05, 2017 at 20:59
Yes, I agree. For me this really a central issue. Hegel had this phrase that I always come back to: "tarry with the negative." We evolve through colli...
January 05, 2017 at 20:55
I don't think it's absurd. And this is how I've understood Heidegger's "ethical" appeal. I think Nietzsche was right when he suggested that we look th...
January 05, 2017 at 20:47
If I may interject, I find it hard to distinguish between "predictable regularities" and "real laws of nature." In other words, I don't see how "real ...
January 04, 2017 at 07:03
It sounds like the suggestion that there is something truly Supernatural encoded by or hinted at by tales of miracles. (Hope you don't mind the interj...
January 04, 2017 at 06:39
Indeed. There's no blank slate. That's pretty obvious. Then there's no agreed-upon-by-all-thinkers set of axioms. Clearly it's not easy to agree on th...
January 04, 2017 at 06:38
I agree, but I'd stress that few who identify with philosophy as a virtuous pursuit are eager to consciously "lie" to themselves or others. It's just ...
January 04, 2017 at 06:22
I'm inclined to think of transcendence in terms of freedom from desire (non-optimal attachments.) I don't think you're giving Epicurus enough credit o...
January 04, 2017 at 03:01
I think of nature as our organized vision of the world. So for me the supernatural would be anomalous. It would be precisely what we could not yet int...
January 04, 2017 at 02:49
I think we do want something permanent but that we find this in the "universal mind." For me this isn't anything supernatural but just the heights of ...
January 03, 2017 at 04:51
In my opinion, we are as entrenched when it comes to our "fundamental" perspectives as the "rabble." But I'm speaking as an older man. While I've been...
January 03, 2017 at 01:49
I see entrenchment as the rule and not the exception. This or that belief is more or less entrenched, more or less sincerely questionable by its posse...
January 03, 2017 at 01:37
Someone could argue that there is another kind of conscious being with a body not like our own who indeed created the universe we know within a larger...
January 03, 2017 at 01:23
But what of the wisdom in making peace with the temporary? The itch for something beyond all mortal things (some ineffable transcendence of the game) ...
January 03, 2017 at 01:06
I think this sums it up. If we look to something higher than ourselves, that's religion. If we see our humans selves as the highest thing, that's phil...
January 02, 2017 at 21:26
I'm more of an atheist myself, but I don't think theism is necessarily irrational. I will agree that many particular variety of theism are hard to def...
January 02, 2017 at 21:19
Granted that they are different, you do seem to be ignoring Epicurus's thoughts about the gods/God. The Being in Plotinus sounds like God as pure poss...
January 02, 2017 at 10:05
I think there has to be something like a minimum overlap. It seems to me that you are framing this more like a one/zero or yes/no situation, as if we ...
January 02, 2017 at 09:35
I'm a master of The Sneetches.
January 02, 2017 at 09:16
It seems to me that you are asking for a "universal" reason. But we wrestle with these issues passionately as individuals (even if this sometimes incl...
January 02, 2017 at 09:12
I'll add a skeptic to the mix, to drive home the theme of tranquility:
January 02, 2017 at 09:11
This is noteworthy. I was just looking at the Enneads. There's plenty of logic chopping metaphysics therein, just as there is plenty of antiquated phy...
January 02, 2017 at 09:01
Could you explain the war and peace issue? If it's a quote, I don't recognize it. But it sounds promising...
January 02, 2017 at 07:49
I haven't looked at Plotinus closely, but I like this quote: We have in this passage at least the same rough image of the wise man. I personally don't...
January 02, 2017 at 07:48
Stoicism is great, too. Marcus Aurelius and Epictetus seem as valuable along the same lines as Epicurus.
January 02, 2017 at 07:32
How eerie. I was just reading up on Epicurus and thought of how prescient this swerve was, even if it perhaps motivated to avoid determinism. There's ...
January 02, 2017 at 04:18
I suppose "made of language" is an overstatement. I was pointing at the way that selves are manifested or crystallized socially. Of course direct bodi...
January 02, 2017 at 01:37
I wasn't trying to accuse you of anything, just to be clear. I think it's natural that we "psychologize" others. We want to explain to ourselves how t...
January 02, 2017 at 01:24
I appreciate this well-written response. I've seen interpretations that talk about "Being" as that which makes meaning possible or, alternatively, as ...
January 02, 2017 at 01:10
The Antichrist is pretty great, too. BG&E is great, but some of it wanders perhaps from contemporary relevance (a little too topical). TSZ comes off a...
January 01, 2017 at 03:46
Perhaps there is a growing disdain for traditional religion as a general rule, but I'm inclined to view this as a change of religion, especially since...
January 01, 2017 at 03:39
As I see it, the "isms" really don't accomplish much. They don't seem to influence our decisions, but only whether we like to call experience "mind" o...
January 01, 2017 at 03:09
I suppose I understand this objectification in terms of concepts. The "objective" self swims in language, is "made" of language. So, yeah, a "logical ...
January 01, 2017 at 01:28
Perhaps the question is whether philosophy as a specialized discipline is still philosophy in the grand sense at all. I suppose we are just talking ab...
January 01, 2017 at 01:03
That's an idea that has a certain appeal to me. I am tempted to use the words "mystical" or "intuitive." This would be something like the Philosopher ...
January 01, 2017 at 00:15
Perhaps we make a basic "existential" choice whether or not take radical skepticism seriously. It's like Samuel Johnson kicking the rock. It's kind of...
January 01, 2017 at 00:08
I am, too, depending on how the word is understood. I do like the grand conceptions of reality that vary from philosopher to philosopher. We can look ...
December 31, 2016 at 22:07
I can't tell whether you find Heidegger convincing or not. Are you pointing out his absurdity or defending him? I would personally give him grief over...
December 31, 2016 at 21:47
The argument cuts both ways. We can always "psychologize" those who disagree with us. There's an assumption at play that atheism is so gloomy that it ...
December 31, 2016 at 21:43
I like Wittgenstein, myself, but asking for an "overrated" philosopher is more or less asking for someone who is well regarded, possibly by "pretty mu...
December 31, 2016 at 21:31
I generally agree. This seems to imply that concepts are either Divine or reflect the light of the Divine. The phrase "religious instinct" especially ...
December 31, 2016 at 21:07
I agree. We seek the truth. And this seems to include the truth about truth-seeking. We find ourselves debating about how truth is or should be establ...
December 31, 2016 at 07:46
I think I would stress people. So I agree that humans are special, central. This is very well said, and I agree very much. I associate philosophy with...
December 31, 2016 at 03:47
Indeed. This is the point of view I was coming from as a critic of "terminological" disputes or "differences that make no difference." And that's actu...
December 31, 2016 at 01:30
I suppose it's just a metaphor that I find useful. Problem solving! Yes, the fixation of belief in response to doubt. Also the fixation of decision is...
December 31, 2016 at 01:13