Thorongil

I've already replied to this claim of yours. There's no need to link it to me again, for I can merely link my own reply back to you. Then how am I to ...

Nope, in these premises you're still equivocating on the word life. You fail to distinguish between individual lives that may or may not be worthwhile...

So cough up this premise.

No, don't say "yes," because you clearly still don't get it on the basis of the following: This is a non-sequitur.

But it's not. They have liberals and conservatives writing for them. Maybe "classical liberalism" just is conservatism nowadays, but I never got that ...

Yes, and this is all I meant to say. You seem to have answered your own objection here.

Yes, their life. They get a say in the matter of their own life. I have never said this. If you're still going to lump me in with anti-natalists, fine...

This is not what I'm doing. I'm simply describing to you how the US government and democracy in general function. First, it's not only unfair, but und...

Because laws are passed by representatives who are democratically elected by the people, not by corporations. If the latter call up the governor of a ...

It appears you cede my point about necessity. That's good, but you're still stuck arrogating to yourself the ability to speak on behalf of the non-exi...

Because you're using them as reasons for having children? What, if not this, are you trying to say?

In pursuing their own interests, corporations infringe on the well being and rights of others to a disproportionate degree. In your example, the law o...

The majority of results from corporations do not benefit the average person or protect civil liberties. You can of course find examples of the kind yo...

I don't live in Britain, but I greatly enjoy the Spectator. Douglas Murray, Nick Cohen, et al are brilliant. I'm to the left of this newspaper on econ...

The yet to be born have no say in the matter.

But it isn't necessary that people experience worthwhile things. You do not speak for the yet to be born.

At times.

I did that with Obama. Everyone kept saying that my state of residence was a swing state and so I voted for Obama, whom I thought vastly superior to R...

I grant you all of this. I'm just killing time on an Internet forum.

Good, I'm glad you acknowledge this. But there is a difference between life being worthwhile once alive and creating more of it just so those creature...

I don't see how. It's not fallacious. I'm simply pointing out a fact. Do you dispute it? Clearly not, since you seem to have a raging desire to preser...

What a silly thing to say. The planet is finite. The human species is finite. All this art you wish to preserve will eventually be obliterated one way...

By considering the intentions.

I'm not saying consequences are unimportant, but I am saying they are unimportant in making moral judgments.

Alright, in this sense, which was the sense I originally used, I can agree. Celibacy is to be practically opposed to giving birth, though not necessar...

But then the only way to be opposed to it would be in a theoretical sense. How, exactly, am I "practically" opposed to it? ... Which would have to be ...

I'm aware of those arguments, but I find that they all collapse into and have as their root some form of consequentialism. I only want to say for the ...

Where does he do that?

You can't fool me, villain. Your username gives it away.

Well, I had a thought while in the bathroom and felt like posting now after all. Here it is. Yes, as I clearly stated. Well done. No, not quite. It's ...

No demonization of sexual activity has occurred. I can do so if you like, but it wouldn't affect or have to do with my original claims. What? Try this...

No more large than your apparent assumption that consequentialism is true, I'm afraid.

You misunderstand completely. I never demonized sexual activity in this thread, so you've no justification for thinking that I have. What I hold outsi...

Between what? I'm not a consequentialist, mon ami. The root word "natal" refers to birth. When the prefix "anti" is applied to it and used as a noun, ...

In terms of the relevance of this statement to my thread, I don't care about whether one is passionately opposed to birth but whether this entails tha...

So we are coerced into living by being born? "Living" is equivalent to handing over one's wallet and "being born" to having a gun pointed in one's fac...

These issues depend on empirical evidence for me. We have evidence that strictly limiting or outright forbidding the private use of arms results in dr...

Private property, most basically, is property not owned by the state but by an individual or group of individuals and not merely for personal use. The...

I didn't contradict myself.

No.

You can't ever know if you're getting a "perfectly good introduction" to the thought of some guy unless you actually read that guy for yourself. I'd r...

I completely agree. Reading secondary literature really ought to be considered a grave offense, as well as the writing of it. It's the worst prose ima...

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Was that an audience member screeching? That felt like peering into a madhouse for a few moments.

Just out of curiosity, what are you then, if not a liberal? And how are you conceiving of that term? Maybe I'll ask everyone here too: what do you ide...

This is one thesis to be sure. But it strikes me that there are about as many Jesuses as there are modern biographies of the man (assuming he existed)...

Did you live in a box that year? This was widely reported. Go do a Google search to confirm what I'm saying. Like this random article: http://www.reut...

Different enough across the board to ensure Democratic control of the White House a decade or more after which time you speak.

I'm talking about the empirical ego, that bundle of vain impulses, desires, fantasies, etc that people mistake for and cling to as their true selves (...