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I would have thought it constitutive (or required) for being "very clear what we refer to". For being able to show examples of what we do and don't re...

The only way I can reconcile the first (to me inexplicable) one of these claims with the second (perfectly reasonable) one is to hope that you mean to...

Really? With a child, discussing how the set of 2 pens here plus the set of 2 pens there makes a set of 4? Wouldn't you want to be ready to climb down...

The type represented by "=>" being, you assume, syllogistic and deductive? Then finite chains will start abruptly, as you say. Disconcerting perhaps. ...

As I say, though, at what point does arithmetic become a philosophical puzzle for you, or your child? Have addition as union of disjoint sets. Is that...

There is (implicitly) "sum of". (Not that the analogy follows through completely, as @"Zuhair" points out.) But anyway, instead of trying to clear up ...

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The OP. Google gives a more mundane explanation of the name. :sad: nvm Still, it is a common (and to me reasonable) conjecture that evolution has endo...

(... and poetry, science etc.) I always assumed @"Pattern-chaser" was named in answer to this question. :chin:

Thanks for reincarnating this thread. :wink: Translation (or mapping or commensuration) from analog to digital (continuous to discrete, spectrum to al...

My emphasis.

I merely think I understand Hume to have pointed out that justification (or reason or logic or derivation or inference) is sometimes deductive but jus...

... or induction, of course. ... except by induction. ... if logic means deduction (as it usually does). ... by deduction. Because they assume logic a...

I think you are simply confusing my posts with other people's? Not sure who's. Good. I think they should use mine. :wink: Are they using yours? Links ...

Yes. And yet, couldn't someone have understood all of that perfectly well, and still wanted to ask whether you saw any use in the "conscious/unconscio...

You could (and probably still do) have limitless fun with identifiable melodies on scales of randomly spaced pitches that were nonetheless identifiabl...

No, sure. Do you think there is anything to be distinguished, however vaguely? I might have lost track and missed that you are a zombie-denier / pan-p...

You have to hand it to "consciousness", though... it keeps getting up and distinguishing itself from near-synonyms. How about glossing it as "somebody...

You were comfortable with denying that consciousness is a thing, or things. Great. Gloss 'mind' as 'mentalness'.

"So" in the current idiom, or as an inference? From what?

What do you mean? Exactly. Exactly. Why, a person, of course.

To a dualist, of course. Don't expect a physicalist to agree with this premise. They can be quite happy pointing "conscious" directly at people, just ...

Then why do you refer to your mind as though it were an entity?

Haha, yes but I meant I agree that the dish is literally unconscious (non-conscious if you prefer), while the music is metaphorically heavy. Anyway, h...

A premise I find unattractive and unnecessary is that a 'mind' is a thing or substance at all. 'Mindful', 'mental' or (more to my taste) 'conscious' i...

Fine... if, this means you want to ergo less, after all. But of course you want to ergo more. Unquestionably a mind and questionably a body. I don't s...

I accept cogito ergo something, just not ergo the whole Cartesian theatricals. Agreed, if "I" refers to your bodily person. Seems to me that a zombie ...

Yes, but you're encouraging a fair deal of witting and unwitting dualistic woo.

At the risk of splitting hairs, but in aid of countering all of the witting and unwitting dualistic woo flying about... Mental processes are different...

There is a lot of that about. Even skepticism about a soul or homunculus munching popcorn in the Cartesian theatre doesn't seem to imply skepticism ab...

Is it that you don't mean this is any more problematic at all as regards the "homunculi problem", just that it comes with a "where is it all coming fr...

Then why is exotic erotic?

Maybe not, but see the quagmire up ahead? I suggest the choice, eventually, is between a physical binary distinction of conscious vs unconscious on th...

Ah, thanks for trying to get on board with my rickety analogy. But no, that difference is a red herring, or misunderstanding. I did say (although ment...

It brings out how processing of meaningful symbols by a machine may be no more meaningful for the machine than processing of any other materials. Even...

Because of my past observations of robots whose behavior, while suggestive of mental influence, was soon explained by a revelation: either that there ...

This is still the question, for me. I think the OP is quite right that consciousness denial and zombie denial will both tend to lead to replacement of...

No correction intended, I was just trying to orient myself on the wikipedia map of positions. (I think I'm happy here, but in some respects also here ...

Do you here allude to, or have you just re-invented, the China brain? Also relevant, this speculative theory of composition of consciousnesses. Also i...

Thanks to you and others for supplying informed clarification as requested in the OP. On the wikipedia page is Quine's question: This neatly distingui...

... hold noses... access handkerchiefs, gas masks...

I said, "at least for the non-Platonist"... who won't accept numbers as the values of bound variables, or whatever. And probably regards them as on a ...

Do you mean, as appears to, that metaphysical discourse is in no worse a condition than any other kind of discourse is when it comes to definition or ...

On a graph of urgency against feasibility, where do you plot the bard's question (or that of the nature of the world beyond the physics), relative to ...

So, - Does consciousness = shadow-business-rep-puppetry? - Does consciousness = any combination of this with any of the many other suggestions? But th...

Well, exactly. That's why I'm calling it mere syntax. We agree on much, as I keep saying. Does consciousness equal: Awareness? Attention? Experiencing...

Can you doubt it? Agreed. But then, the same old problem. Conscious (mental correlations), or unconscious? I'm suggesting, conscious where the meaning...

(I seem to have read 'aware' as 'conscious', but no harm done.) But hey, kudos to us for exploring and questioning a bit further, despite the inevitab...

:sigh: You don't see the chicken and egg, here? Clue:

Hi again. Cool. We know where we stand. You've heard of the "theory of mind theory of mind"? I give you, here, a "theory of meaning theory of meaning"...