Agreed, but where do we go from here? You're not using pleasure as commonly used. The activity of taking the pill is called pleasurable in everyday di...
I have suspended judgement on Stoicism at the moment, to permit an investigation into this. Do not take my agreements as final. However, pleasure, as ...
Well said, only insofar as it is good, which is admitting that pleasure is not always good :) But if I myself lived such a life I would be unsatisfied...
Interesting. I can see this working for pain. You can't ask "So what? What's bad about that?" to someone who says they're in pain. The very asking of ...
But you forget that any concept of ideality already presupposes the logical structure of this world - becoming. Hence, a world of being is incoherent ...
You say this world is non-ideal. This implies you have a standard of ideality, you know what would be ideal. But how can you have such a standard? All...
As much as I think you display elements of pathology sometimes, I think you have stumbled on something true and greatly important. So for that, my con...
No, just like you, Stoicism operates on the principle that virtue is the only good REGARDLESS of what you think. If you think differently, then you ar...
What does it mean for something to be "natural"? Is it just that most people do it? The Stoic doesn't live a life without passion - insofar as it's im...
But it's not doing this though... I have explained over and over again that Stoicism is not about not feeling, or escaping your negative feelings. It'...
You said: So on what are your "obligations of fairness" based? On duty perhaps? It seems to me that if your moral obligation to be upset and to grieve...
Yes, but Stoicism doesn't mean that you won't have the feelings of loss and frustration. It just means you'll deal with them differently than your ave...
Oh, so love then should be found on the fickleness of human emotion? I shall love my wife because I have a temporal attachment to her... if that emoti...
Again, you are talking nonsense and attacking a strawman. If you read Marcus Aurelius' Meditations, you will see the effort spent showing gratitude fo...
What does feeling hurt have to do with the fact of moving beyond it? The Stoic response does not prevent one from having a day each year to commemorat...
Why must I suffer to prove my attachment and love for something? Why do you assume that if I don't torture myself, then it means that I have not loved...
STRAW MAN! Much rather: Person: "Your family passed away and is gone" Stoic: "As much as that grieves me, there is nothing that I can do to bring them...
I don't think you know what you're saying. This would be the case if space is finite and geometrically "spherical". So likewise it would be the case f...
This only applies to physical time. Don't forget that for physicists time is that which you can measure by a clock; in this case an atomic clock. If y...
Hence the difference between chronological time (which philosophers talk about) and physical time (which physicists claim began to exist at the Big Ba...
Please explain to me how the idea of a beginning to existence is any bit less absurd than the idea of square circles. Because by the "Big Bang", I am ...
I think the problem is that they are giving such ideas a more than fair hearing. In my opinion, the Big Bang should be a priori ruled out. A beginning...
Good - then it follows that the scientist should not believe that the limits of scientific observation is equivalent with the limits of the world. In ...
No you should only reject models which imply that existence itself has a beginning. As far as I am aware, the Big Bang model as traditionally understo...
This is most clearly false. Some matters are logical or philosophical absurdities, and hence should not be employed by science as preferable models. I...
I think a much more productive discussion whose potential lies hidden is that of Stoicism against that of Buddhism. There are many family resemblances...
Fact is, desires, in and of themselves, do not care about the suffering involved. Say I love and desire a woman: I do not care about the suffering inv...
Having the energy is also highly dependent on your beliefs. If you believe you can, you generally have the energy. But you have to push yourself every...
Yeah so you can say "it would be better never to be born" and then adopt a stoic attitude. I see nothing inconceivable about that. It would be better ...
I disagree. It is not whatever system because whoever for example is saddened and affected by events/circumstances outside of their control is doing s...
It's very strange because it is certainly not possible to have any alternative in non-existence. The fact of existence forces you to cope with it. If ...
You are probably right about most people. So what? Does it follow that people should do only what they are naturally inclined to do? Stoicism isn't me...
Evidently not everyone does. But at least some people do. Well only looking calm isn't something commendable according to the Stoics. You'd have to ac...
@"schopenhauer1" It seems to me that you are trying to judge stoicism by the criteria that whatever is painful is bad, and whatever is pleasurable is ...
Except that it is impossible to argue with you. You do not make any claims which can be falsified by reasonable argument, you merely claim some things...
Yes, I agree with you @"WhiskeyWhiskers". TGW's attitude in this thread has been abysmal, and he is clearly wrong on all counts. I think it's more use...
Will's puppets sub specie durations, but the Will itself sub specie aeternitatius. So there is some relief to be found in the denial of the will - whi...
This is nonsense, I don't follow. The fact that they are unnecessarily grieving does not depend on what claims they make. I may be wrong, but in fact,...
Ok, but you seem to think that the person in the example above is not committing an error. If they are, how would you go about criticising their error...
Well it certainly doesn't make them feel good to act that way. Neither does it help them in anyway. So how does it follow that it's not your place, as...
Well I think it's not so... rather the stoic would advise one to stop focusing on the misfortune, and instead switch one's focus to something more pro...
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