Frank Apisa

Well...allow me to help you with that. I absolutely guarantee that there is the possibility of the existence of gods. That is 100%. Cannot get any bet...

At no point had I spoken of the REALITY. I was talking about the possibilities. In any case...are you going to give us some idea of what this is all a...

My opinion is that there are facts...and that the tree you are barking up... ...is the wrong tree.

Which is to say that you make a blind guess one way or the other. My guess is that your guess is that no gods exist. I certainly do not fall into that...

There is a difference between "nothing I do is predicated on their possible existence"...and "they do not exist." You may feel it reasonable to "not t...

The possibilities of both exist, Terrapin. The POSSIBILITY of one...does not negate the POSSIBILITY of the other. In fact, the POSSIBILITY of one just...

Are you saying one is impossible? Which one is that? These are possibilities we are talking about. No "possibility" of this sort is mutually exclusive...

They are not mutually exclusive...you realize?

if you want to guess...guess. If you are asking me to guess...I will flip Mr. Coin. But to what avail?

Okay... ...YES. To both. It certainly is POSSIBLE that there is an "X" that is undetectable in principle. In other words, no matter what we ever do, n...

At this stage of human development...POVERTY ought to be a thing of the past. Every human on the planet should have, at a minimum, sufficient food, sh...

I honestly do not know what you mean by your question, Terrapin. Here is my position stated for (I think) the third time: It is absurd to suppose that...

Using "we can't find any gods" as proof that gods do not exist... ...is totally illogical.

You've offered an interesting topic for discussion. I immediately focus on one aspect, because I see it as an imperative to decent discussions of many...

The reason I wrote that it is absurd to suppose, as you do, that if humans cannot detect it, it does not exist... ...is because the notion IS absurd. ...

I don't! The words are paramount., I makes guesses...I call them "guesses." I make suppositions...I call them "suppositions." I make estimates...I cal...

I do not do "believing." If you are asking me if my guess is that we humans are not even close to understanding or being able to detect EVERYTHING abo...

Then change "see" to "sense, either directly or by any other sort of instrument we puny humans can imagine." Gonna come out the same, Terrapin. Don't ...

Change "see" to "sense." No problemo.

If you are still monitoring this thread, Maureen... ...I think your OP question if being answered rather strongly by Tarrapin. Some people just CANNOT...

If you want to think that because you see no gods on your desk or on the street in front of your apartment is evidence that no gods exist... ...then i...

None of that is evidence that no gods exist. The fact that no human can "check" and find something is NOT evidence that a thing does not exist. It is ...

YOU are the one claiming there is evidence that there are no gods. So far, I have not seen any. You have not offered any evidence that there are no go...

From what I gather...you are suggesting that since you cannot see any gods on on your desk, on the sidewalk in front of your apartment... ...that is e...

S...respectfully as possible...I think it is best we not engage in any further discussions.

Don't assume. I said what I meant to say. If you are of the opinion that an IDEA is NOT nonphysical...then an entity god could be nonphysical. If a tr...

My guess is that Devans will offer some variation on: Go back to a different spot on the circle...and see where it leads.

Okay, if nothing is nonphysical...then any gods that exist are nonphysical also. But, like ideas, you cannot put a tie on 'em. Then get "the world" to...

Are you saying that ideas do not exist? Stop with that. YOU are not the determinant of what can or cannot exist. You are dogmatically proclaiming that...

And you are saying that it IS impossible or incoherent for gods to exist? C'mon! In any case, I welcome any evidence you have that it is impossible or...

I am NOT making such a comparison. I am making a statement about the absurdity of supposing the default position on an issue where there is no evidenc...

It is "impossible" if all the considerations and assumptions you are making are correct. They may not be. I don't mean to be a pest, Devans. Just goin...

Let the "timeless first cause" be EVERYTHING. All of existence. The "need" for a first cause is manufactured. There is no such need.

Your guess about what science does is of no consequences. Devans, the finest minds that have ever existed have pondered the problem you are so sure yo...

Your "supporting arguments" notwithstanding...you have no idea if you are correct or dead wrong on this issue...and you really need to develop the eth...

Dogma is dogma no matter how often written. You are suggesting something you cannot know,...and then insisting that you have arrived at it through rea...

I realize that...which is why I repeat myself with you. I suspect it is why so many others do that same thing. Okay...you were "caused" and I was "cau...

Either there is or is not a "first cause"...or there is a first cause...but EVERYTHING is the first cause. Existence itself is infinite...with nothing...

This is a Philosophy Forum. One...you were not "cursed" at. "Curse" should have a specific meaning in a Philosophy Forum. If Sush had said, "Damn you"...

I've called this to your attention before...and will do it again right now: I am not talking about sentient life in the universe. I am SPECIFICALLY ta...

Funny, but Tuesday at work I said something I regretted the instant the short sentence ended. It was in a three way conversation...and I could barely ...

Without the conclusion, "...to which everyone gives the name of God.’"... ...(which is an absurd conclusion to Aquinas' argument)... ...but without it...

Seth. The thing I was asking you to explain was your comment, "The ever-expanding and constant growth of the universe can give us somewhat a logical r...

As you guessed, NO, I do not know if there are ANY GODS. Now answer this one: Do you THINK there is a god? NO, I do not "think" there are any gods...n...

My response essentially is what I just posted to Leo. I am answering the question of the OP with: It is possible.

Let's take this from a different angle. What I was attempting to say and may have done a poor job of... ...is that there ARE things that humans may no...

Allow me to disagree...as respectfully as possible. Every scientist...is first and foremost...a human being. Saying "it is beyond scientific understan...

Here is a site I have used for years. Put a word into it...and you will get the word as defined in 10 - 30 different dictionaries. https://www.onelook...

I cannot help you with that further, Aaran. If you think that is illogical...we'll just have to disagree.

I do not see how that follows at all. Please fill me in on how that works. We can discuss it. No, and I may forget. If it is important for anything yo...