Frank Apisa

"Believe in" it, huh?

If existence is just an illusion...there is no way to do that. I do not know...and neither does anyone else. Question: Is existence an illusion? Only ...

Just attempting to understand where you stand, Amen. The "I believe in the former/latter" did not compute. Yeah, the concept of a god exists...but wha...

Ignoring the use of "believe" in that comment, I have no idea of what that means. Do you choose the former or the latter? As I have mentioned several ...

The Jebbies were good that way. They were tough, but they were about as down to Earth as any of the orders.

I acknowledge that a GOD might exist. It is possible. It is also possible that no gods exist. I choose not to guess either way...although it seems cer...

I think he will not be able to answer a question about how he arrived at his conclusion. He may be right. I acknowledge it is possible at least one GO...

Can you put this into other words...without using the "believe?" Different people mean different things when they say "I 'believe (in)." Just wonderin...

Wouldn't it be great if there were a god invented that felt that same way.

I guess every god has its little faults and idiosyncrasies: "I, the Lord, your God, am a jealous God, inflicting punishments for their fathers' wicked...

:smile: Great point, un. I got tortured trying to carry all that to its ultimate conclusion. And I am most definitely NOT a masochist.

If you are directing this to me (cannot really tell, but I suspect you are)... ...you are dead wrong in saying that my comments are illogical. The onl...

We both agree that Mrs. un get the satisfaction. BUT you are assigning a motive for the satisfaction...that may be wrong. I am merely saying that she ...

No one is ever going to supply Mad Fool's request...because everything we do is to satisfy ourselves. As I said earlier, Mother Teresa and Albert Schw...

What you are disregarding is that Mrs. un is deriving satisfaction from making YOU a cup of tea. Yes, she made a cup of tea for herself...to satisfy s...

Yep. How do you torture a masochist? Be loving toward him!

Excellent post, P. Yeah...I am doing what many who argue issues like this one do...going a bit over the top to stress a point. I doubt very seriously ...

In a sense, there is no greater manifestation of hedonism. Imagine how much one has to "desire it"...for the "it" to be giving up one's life for anoth...

My feelings are that we are all "hedonists" in that we all seem to do those things that bring us the most satisfaction. Mother Teresa, Albert Schweitz...

This "argument" seems to go off the tracks at this point..and, unfortunately, "this point" is labeled #1. #1 requires a conclusion...before all of the...

Thanks for that respone, Drake. Lots of good stuff in that post...and I am in agreement with the gist of most of it. Yeah..."belief/believe" can be us...

But in general I think people who say they believe in God, do believe in the existence of God. Yeah...the people who are saying "I believe (in) god" a...

You seem to be saying because I considers a particular word to mean the same thing for me that I suppose what you meant when you used it...that means ...

Perhaps. I have not read Peirce extensively. But I have done a thorough investigation into the use of the word "believe" (and "belief") and when used ...

I do not know what you are talking about... ...and I suspect you do not know what you are talking about either.

See my response above.

Okay, I was a bit abrupt there. Question like that seem to be a stalling or diverting tactic. But let me assume you were not stalling or diverting, an...

What do you mean by "what?"

Sorry, Borraz...you lost me here.

Thank you. See my remarks to Aletheist.

Mostly because what he says there is contrived...a sermon that sounds intellectual but misses the mark. I will confine myself to professed "beliefs" a...

My people are Nabalitan (as we say)...from a small village near Caserta. They are getting creamed over there right now. Lots and lots of Italians are ...

Absolutely. That is especially obvious to me. I'm 83...and I can have a high school class reunion in my living room...while keeping reasonable social ...

The big problem with this discussion..and with almost all the discussions in this forum...is that the participants suppose that humans can know or ima...

I doubt you can do that. I doubt anyone can.

What "stupid shit" is that?

Obviously I disagree in total with Peirce. I do agree with the sentiment being conveyed with, "Actions speak louder than words."

I suspect that "believe" is the most misused word in the English language...and insofar as I can influence people NOT to use it, I will make the attem...

Because that is where that is being discussed, Tim.

Thank you, Gregory. I also get hunches...and that kind of thing. The use of the word "believe" for hunch, or guess, or estimate, or so many other word...

I've been an agnostic for over 60 years now...and I have known MANY people who are religious who are decent, reasonable, intelligent people...some of ...

Gregory (and Alvin & MU & anyone else who stops here in this thread)... ...would you stop by the thread linked below. I have a question that I do not ...

Okay...not to Eva or to god must be atheist...but to the community: Best wishes for our friend and fellow poster, gmba. Lets all hope he gets well soo...

Sadly...it IS so! The Chaplain of the United States House of Representatives is the officer of the United States House of Representatives responsible ...

No problem. I was being more than just a bit satirical in posting that clip...which I have posted three or four times in other forums where the conten...

I'm giving you a lesson in power, Excellency. I'm not trolling here...I am contributing more to the discussion than you are able to see...apparently. ...

I get it now. I should have read that with the "out the" as "out there"...right? I honestly missed that. Anyway...the reason I asked about the "Do you...

I may be from a different generation...but I still do not know what you were asking. I am beginning to think you do not know what you were asking eith...

YES! I was trying to find out what you were asking. I actually asked you, "What on Earth does "believe in aliens" mean to you?" I was (AM) trying to f...

Jesus H. Christ...you are one weird dude. If my not being ugly does disqualify me from expressing an opinion...why in hell are you continuing to discu...