Merkwurdichliebe

Then may I invoke the gravely overlooked guillotine of Nietzsche, that the only correspondence between what happened and what it means, is accidental ...

That would make a great thread. But you said it "All thought/belief presupposes it's own truth somewhere along the line. All thought/belief is meaning...

@"creativesoul" Consider that the other tells you murder is wrong, but condones just war, and everybody else is same. Suppose you believe that murder ...

I love philosophers who are courageous enough to speak oddly on occasion. In this scenario, this particular state of mind (the morally dumbfouned) is ...

You had to bring it up. A book that constantly reminds us of the highest ethical idea - qua. the tragic hero.

I don't think he read much Kierkegaard.

I think it would be wise, in the context of this discussion, to honor the great guillotine of Mister Hume, and leave out the notion of "true" thought/...

@"Praxis" Yes, me wants to know too.

That's why you are so valuable to this discussion. When we all push ahead, you keep your hands on the reins.

He's mine too. But I'm more aligned with Antisthenes account (via Diogenes), than Plato's. I agree with Nietzsche, Plato fucked everything up - that p...

I would go so far as to call it a second nature. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I think so. But I probably have looser standards here. I'm under the impression that "one was morally dumbfounded when and if they could not answer ce...

Nice point. The cognitive dissonance of moral dumbfounding is not capricious, like prelinguistic thought/belief. It is embedded in a complex infrastru...

Agreed. I predict that thread will stir up a major shit-storm. It will probably require all my attention.

I agree with what you say here. It is just a round-about technique I use to arrive at an agreement. I believe the absence of any other criterion is on...

I hate the prospect of starting a thread, but I might have to do it if nobody else does.

Call it a paradox. Philosophy for me is analogous to Chuang Tzu and The Useless Tree: "Useless? You should worry!" I agree. But in the absence of any ...

There are two approaches as I see it. One is to limit the variables so as to reduce the problem until it diminishes to the point that it effectively d...

I'm arguing that moral dumbfounding occurs at an advanced stage of morality, well beyond the primitive stage of prelinguistic thought/belief. I think ...

Indeed, I agree. I think that all philosophy operates by creating it's own problems in order to solve them; and, from a simplified perspective, it cer...

Different case indeed, that is probably what it would be. But I've qualified the particular case I presented, so unless the case you are presenting is...

That's always best. @"creativesoul" and I have been proceeding methodologically, not so much to determine some absolute truth about the source of mora...

@"frank" @"VagabondSpectre" Can I post a video too? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pqJJtIFuLTg

I think if we could reconcile our terms here, you would be more agreeable to my meaning. Earlier, while conversing with @"creativesoul", I loosely def...

Now that is funny! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

"Self improvement is masturbation." ~Tyler Durden, Fight Club Leave masturbation out of it, what did it ever do to you? It made me blind. :cool: :joke...

What about Socrates? He drank the hemlock motivated by personal obligation to moral principle. The sentiment of the entire city was forgiving of Socra...

Hey you guys! Goobacks are being oppressed in the future. If we don't get some solidarity soon, they'll take our jobs.

That is true for socially motivated people. But what about the person whose moral thought/belief is motivated by principle?

I guess I'll get a head start. I will found the Gooback's Rights Movement. From there we will launch the Goobacks political party. The rest is history...

Goobacks: we will become a hairless, uniform mix of all races, with the same skin color (a yellowy, light-brownish, whitish color), while our language...

I don't understand what he's saying about immorality and law, but I somwhat understand what his point is from a philosophical perspective. Because whe...

Hey!!! Leave @"Banno" out of it, or I'll cut you. :cool:

I have no objection to eternal forms.

everything must proceed as necessary, no?

What is the criterion which justifies a unified concept???

They succumb to the weakness of stupidity, qua. gullible. I think @"Tim wood" is making a great point, in a most ironic manner. Call it a paradoxical ...

Absolutely. There is no measure by which I can judge your subjectivity. It is yours. But I, as "I", decide what is deserving of respect, or not. Pleas...

Actually it is a power, but yes.

Yes! Indeed, to the fullest.

This is the existential constant. What more qualification is needed?

Mister @"tim wood", I have the utmost degree of respect towards you. It is an awesome feat to procure such a vast quantity of dissenters, while conser...

What the fuck do I know? In my ignorance, it appears to be quite effective.

That MF @"praxis" never addresses me. we probably agree too much.

@"praxis" We've (me & @"creativesoul") have been drinking for a while now. You should have a drink too.

This is my primary mandate. I think we might accidentally prove something else, than what is meant here.

:up:

@"creativesoul" Paine makes a distinction between societal ethics (cultural indoctrination) as being a positive sort of cooperation amongst the collec...

In this case, it is the case. In another case it may not be. Both cases may be equally sensible internally, and totally contradictory externally. But ...

Just doing a survey of our methodology (existential quantification): This is the only necessary qualification for us to proceed. Let's call the premis...