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:rofl: I just assume I'm always doing everything wrong, especially when it seems right. But wait... that seems right, so I guess that's wrong too.

I'm not suggesting thought/belief loses its rationality, that is a necessary aspect of thought/belief. I am suggesting, upon reaching a certain intens...

Fine then, just the last sentence, forget the first two. :wink:

"By trying to please everybody, he had pleased nobody, and lost his Ass besides." :rofl:

Your interpretation is necessary for me. It helps me to know we are on the same page. Also, you are probably much more intelligent than me. :grin:

I like this question. The most basic mode of ethical thought, probably as you pointed out: " about acceptable/unacceptable thought, belief, and/or beh...

Love me some Aesop. Should be mandatory reading for all TPF members. :cool:

Thanks! It's a great thing when philosophy is done right, right?

That is something that we can now make a distinction about, but only because the variables have been existentialized, right? Ethical thought/belief it...

Common Sense, I'll check her out.

I'm only loosely acquainted with him. Maybe you can clue me in.

I've been done with that for a while. So agreed.

I had that feeling.

I'm primed :fire:

Yes, I think it is worthy of investigation.

Indeed. I just wish to ensure we are primed for when that time arrives.

At a certain level, the explanatory usefulness of the role of evolution in the source of morals becomes exhausted. In all subsequent discourse, the ro...

I always like to revisit these topics with a fresh eye - "a fish I" (that's for @"banno"). The big mistake is in thinking that there are any issues to...

I was being facetious. It is ridiculous to say that an immediate experience is a delusion. Delusion does not relate to being, only to becoming.

one of the most underrated and unknown is Paths of Glory. Also an ethically charged story. :wink: strangelove

Indeed. Here, possibly?

I bet there are at least 3 more Kubrick films in that top twenty. :grin:

You are correct. I only intended to use the sociopath as an extreme example, in order to illustrate that sociopathy can be found in societal ethics eq...

@"Janus" @"creativesoul" As much as I hate to, perhaps we should all rewatch our favorite movie: A Clockwork Orange.

But if you are generating your ethical judgments from the utilitarian principle, then all that needs happen is for the utility to shift (whether in pe...

Societal ethics are very closely aligned to appearances, or how it seems to be for another. Whereas, the ethical existence of the individual is focuse...

I can't deny that you may be laying out a sad fact of societal ethics. If I were to place it in a single concept, it would be "ideology"

That is only true if their ethical commitment is predicated on the authority of another. And, then the commitment is indeed rather capricious, in that...

You know I'm a sucker for a nicely wound thread. :scream: (Add. I've been waiting to use the screamface for a while now.)

I believe in you. Just don't try to convince me. :cool:

I didn't mean to imply that, I was just bringing up a point I'm having a difficulty understanding. My point in bring up the conscientious objector is:...

To circle back to the point I'm making: once thought/belief is awakened to the ethical imperative of culture, then all subsequent talk of morality is ...

I will add that this is to be considered in contrast to active thinking, which can, at best, be approximated through the notion of thought/belief.

Definitely. If it does not become so after everything has been said, then we are doing something wrong.

How about I just have drink and consider it equal. :wink:

That's a great summary of how we have justified the premise from which we have been building. And I think we've made some decent progress.

I understand where you are coming from, and I don't want to digress too much but... You are speaking about very ordinary conditions. The more subjecti...

The internalization of social norms, I would attribute to inculcation/indoctrination. This is where the youngster learns the basic game of ethics, so ...

I concur.

"I'm right, you're wrong."

I would argue that the categories of morality each pertain to distinct aspects. If nothing else, moral thought/belief is predominantly developed withi...

This is a good chance to point out that the deeper the feeling of conviction over a moral thought/belief, the more personal it seems to become. It is ...

@"Janus" Moral beliefs are certainly informed by language. But, it would seem that moral feelings are a deeper matter. A moral feeling is not simply s...

I was only speaking poetically. Oops

It may be that physical harm and ethical harm differ qualitatively, and while it is possible for them to correlate in some way or another, it is not n...

"visceral" :lol: . Thank you. I know it's not the most popular philosophical form in this day and age. So, I appreciate that you have the philosophica...

You have set forth a common goal. I will do the same. :up:

I would argue that the indoctrination of culture is value charged with a preexisting morality, but the problem is that it is entirely accidental. Ther...

You are correct in this point. Just consider me thorough. I just want to be sure we have firmly arrived into ethical existence before we finally deter...

Indeed. I feel we have made progress in a way that is rarely seen on TPF (add. as insignificant as it might be).