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Huh? I don't follow.

See what I mean? The rationale is ridiculous

If morals are only internal, and have no external analogue, then what I said follows. No ifs, ands, or buts.

Seems relevant to me. I have no problem harvesting certain concepts for my own use. Doesn't mean I'm Kohlbergian.

I didn't mean to invoke Kohlberg. :grin:

@"praxis" I was thinking about the distinction between ethical authority and moral agency. The ethical authority always judges the other - it determin...

I appreciate those with the patience and prescience to work out their thoughts systematically. Unfortunately there are very few who possess the wherew...

@"creativesoul" It seems, I have my own fan club.

So then, your morals, and praxis' morals are internal to me. That seems odd, to say the least. There you go again, imposing your irrational solipsist ...

That is what we are seeking to work out in our thought experiment. An instruction booklet on badminton would, indeed, be a source of morals if we coul...

In sociology and other social sciences, internalization (or internalisation) means an individual's acceptance of a set of norms and values (establishe...

Ok, here it is. Source: that which provides the conditions for something else. Morals: concerning what is right and wrong in human behavior Source of ...

I don't think you understand. The interlopers haven't read anything except your last post. They have no clue what has been happening here.

Not even peanuts. The Interlopers consistently provide nothing to any discussion, nothing but whining and bitching about how they don't agree with any...

Says the one who indulges in more unphilosophical gibberish than any other TPF member. Don't be upset just because you cannot understand what's being ...

Why would anyone want to go to America. It is falling fast into a tyrannical oblivion. Old habits die hard, I suppose. European history is so deep, yo...

To say: "it is wrong to touch the fire because it is stupid to burn oneself in such a way," amounts to a judgement upon an assessment of the stupity o...

Simple, but a re-re-restart.

:rofl:

@"praxis" @"creativesoul" Ok, time to get back on track... We were investigating the relation between the cultured individual (viz. one imbued with a ...

I find your avatar morally reprehensible, seeing that your name is creativesoul. Unless you are using it for irony. Then it's perfect . :grin:

Do you mean when I said: "interlopers"? If so, there's a fine line between personal attack and calling it how it is, and I sometimes have trouble find...

I'm still curious to see how far we can take it, and what it will look like when we arrive to a reasonable conclusion. And, after the wave of interlop...

@"creativesoul" You can see the disruptive effect of some of these Interlopers on the past page and a half. They showed up after 12 pages of silence a...

I could guess. We should officially designate them as: "The Interlopers".

Yes. All his discussions take the same pattern, with everyone. He starts out like he is seriously interested in philosophical discourse. But, as soon ...

That's why I said:

He understands. He's just fucking with you because he has nothing relevant to add.

But you know it's true. :wink:

TS is stuck in infinite reflection - a perpetual loop of direct relation. He is unable to make the dialectical transition out of immediacy, where a ne...

Yes I did.

Neither @"praxis", @"creativesoul", nor I have made such statements in our particular discourse.

We are not making empirical claims here, we are conducting a thought experiment in existential quantification.

So then only you have morality, I suppose. How would you possibly prove that another has morality by referring to "utterances a la sounds/marks etc." ...

:lol:

We've established an understanding of this through the last 12 pages of rigorous debate, it has been existentially quantified.

This does not mean thought/belief cannot be affected by something external.

Perhaps. And we are looking for the source of morals. We've already established that evaluations of prelinguistic assessments are primarily acquired f...

How do you internalize language? Thought

That is why we are examining it. At this stage we pressuppose everything involved in prelinguistic thought/belief. The concept of "internalization" is...

A few variables we've examined are: prelinguistic thought/belief, societal conditioning, ethical authority, and internalization of morality.

@"S" We have agreed upon a qualifier, an existential constant by which we can conduct a thought experiment. Where is your qualification? where is your...

Downhill for S, is uphill for everyone else. And, speaking of going downhill, you never addressed the issue with Hume.

Where have they been the last dozen pages?

He could explain himself better. But, he might agree with something like: the source of morals is multifaceted. We have been proceeding methodological...

Don't forget that pure reason is a construct of Nature, and existed long before we became aware of it. :grin:

My hypothesis: particular moral intuitions/feelings can be considered morally dumbfounded in certain relations between independent ethical agents.

A central point.

@"praxis" @"creativesoul" I can't wait to compile the relevant posts of this discussion. We have made it to 30 pages in less than a month, and for the...