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I'm hypothesizing that, in a given relation, it is impossible to be both ethical authority and ethical pupil at the same time. Or am I overlooking the...

Because I feel there is an unequivocal distinction between ethical authority ethical pupil. The ethical authority has a specific role of exposing the ...

You gotta separate the wheat from the chaff. All you did was pick out the chaff. It's actually funny, I added that shit about delusion against my bett...

How do you define moral principle?

I meant the ethical task for the ethical pupil. Sorry if I was unclear. I would never use the terms true/false to describe ethical judgment. I would a...

I don't understand.. What would constitute a different kind of moral agent, for example, one not beset with the ethical task?

:rofl: Ahhh yes...the utopian fantasy. :grimace:

Sounds like the worst kind of tyranny. :fear:

@"creativesoul" Is it appropriate to say the the ethical authority stands in relation to the ethical pupil? Can we call it the "moral agent", as in th...

You are beginning to touch on "faith". I prefer buddha, to leave the raft, and rely upon spontaneous improvisation. Of course, it isn't always the mos...

To be fair, creativesoul was the first to reference that on this thread.

Works even better. :smile: As someone once said: Then we can kick the ladder out from under us? :grin:

Consider the moral judgement: "that killing is wrong". There are two modes of judgement. One comes in the opinion of moral thought/belief, it is indir...

I Google searched an image for "ethical and moral venn diagram". I think we could keep the yellow ring if we take "legal" to mean "established normati...

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcQRpSs3OjWZx_567oeGT08KwCE8UuQxL_ilSgW9HHmu9B-kNw5M Like this, without the black blue and yello...

Morality and ethical are interchangeable terms, in most cases. But strictly speaking, morality is always ethical, while the ethical does not always in...

Firstly, I like how you included "domestic animals". (For expediency's sake, we can ignore livestock on factory farms). I think what you say here is a...

I am clairvoyant , doctor. :eyes:

I might say, the ethical is a broad category that includes morality as one of its essential terms. I would say the ethical is about right/wrong in gen...

@"Terrapin Station" If ethical existence is represented by a circle, individual morality would be represented by a dot in the center.

I agree there. @"Terrapin Station" (Is there any way to perfectly reconcile the incongruities between actual thinking, and speaking about thought? Pro...

Your welcome. No I don't. I was just working out our misunderstanding from a previous post. But I think we're on the same page. Communication can adeq...

Thought.

The notion of "absentee parental figure" is not too much of an issue. In such cases, ethical conditioning bypasses the parental figure, and begins wit...

Internalization is analogous to appropriation. Habitualize is an inadequate term.

No. I can't I agree with what creativesoul pointed out.

@"Janus" The tide is coming in, and with it the interlopers. :grin:

You already agree with the basic premise that we've built the entire experiment upon. What you call the "ego", we have termed: thought/belief. We have...

This might be true, but we need to take a step back and as creativesoul says, do the groundwork, to establish that all conditioning, moral included, i...

No problem. You shouldn't rush though. In philosophy, clarity is always better than speed.

That is the question. Why is it so hard to share our pressuppositions and build hypothetical constructs that may improve understanding by highlighting...

I'm not familiar with mein, but as a dialectician myself, how can I resist the former, so both I suppose. Codependency too. :grin: I'm willing to stre...

You seem to have a decent grasp of history. Do you know anything about Hegel's dialectic of the lord-bondsman?

What you said had relevance, it was how you said it that was troublesome. I think looking to the history of ethical philosophy would tell us much, not...

I would say they impart a feeble and primitive morality to the child, but sometimes it can really stick.

I appreciate your input. But to clarify, we are not attempting to discover right and wrong ethics. We are investigating the source of morals. Other th...

This has some relevance in respect to ethical authority. As an example, it could be further simplified to have a wider scope of application and "expla...

The result of this struggle to the death is "consensus".

The first relation between follower and usurper is found between the child and parental figure. I would surmise that in all ordinary cases, the parent...

This was the post that ushered the discussion into a period of enlightenment. I felt it necessary to repost it in its entirety.

I must say, I enjoyed your theatricality. :cheer:

I like that term.

There are many here, including myself, who consider history to be an immensely important factor in the source of morals. But the discussion has not ye...

There is something some people don't seem to understand (I don't necessarily mean Janus, I haven't been following your conversation). Sometimes it is ...

Time to get to it.

I concur. Inadequate, irrelevant, superfluous, confounding. Up to this point, we've done fine discussing the source of morals without resorting to the...

Mammy?

Well said.

You wise ass. :grin: Of course.

I'm figuring this, because if there is no way for me to apprehend the morals of others, how can I claim, with any reasonability, that they actually ha...