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Nope, tell me more...

It would definitely be anarchistic. But I also admire Plato, and a world full of people admiring both Plato and Nietzsche would result in a populace w...

I understand the antithetical relation of Nietzsche to Plato, but I personally admire both for what they have to offer in themselves. The notion of pe...

I want to address your point about Witt. But first I will say Nietzsche's psychobabble is highly open to interpretation, but he does make some extreme...

Thanks. :smile:

Absolutely. Philosophy has a unspeakable personal value for me. I might say it has saved me in a strict eschatological sense of the term saved.

Well stated. That is getting at the heart of my position.

Quiet with that nonsense. I appreciate any input you make. I wasn't even thinking of Nietzsche until you mentioned him. And it was very relevant.

Yes, Nietzsche. I've read a ton of his work. Nietzsche rejects the correspondence between concepts and the particulars of experience, or "nerve stimul...

The posts were made out of order, so you may not have read my earlier post. After further considerations, I've determined that moral thought/belief is...

My thought exactly.

@"creativesoul" In my first reboot of judgement, I begin by saying: judgement is the application of moral principle. I find two apparent modes, which ...

I love aphoristic philosophy, I wish more members here on TPF would have the courage to philosophies with random responses, it would really air out th...

I'll wait for your response. In the meantime I'll say that we are doing a rare thing on TPF. We are proving something. I don't mean about the source o...

I think it identifies the discrepancy close enough for our purpose here. I'm interested to see what we find out. You've already began to address the r...

Your welcome. And, the feeling is mutual. :up:

Yes indeed. Also, our philosophical aptitudes are too great to think we cannot work out our differences. :cool: :nerd:

@"creativesoul" More on the different modes of thought/belief, and the particular quality of their valuations: Since morality is primarily concerned w...

Here you did not object to my point. Let me slightly rephrase it for clarity: the level of prelinguistic thought/belief, at which value is imposed on ...

Assuming this "one truth" actually exists, it is an immense stretch to think that a collective could uniformy apprehended the one truth, and cooperati...

I will point out right now, that we never established that prelinguistic thought/belief is moral in kind. I've considered the the entire discussion th...

I'll be interested to read it. By the way, based on yesterday's exchange, I thought the same thing about you: "You've lost the distinction which began...

Yes, they are different. Fdrake said enough to be considered. In, layman's terms, axiom is bound up in logic, while a priori is a monster of its own k...

It is certainly an over generalization. And conformity can indeed be reasoned and rational, but the consequences of a reasoned and rational cooperatio...

I agree with your assessment. It would be miraculous if enough individuals worked out their shit sufficiently enough to effect real qualitative change...

The world will change itself, and there's nothing we can do to change that. We don't change the world, the world changes us. The best one can do is fo...

@"creativesoul" Valuation is something we have not clearly parsed out. Imo, valuation does not imply moral thought/belief. Valuation can be imposed on...

We are doing the other kind of thought/belief in assessing the kind of thought/belief about acceptable/unacceptable behaviour. I don't think we ever a...

We are speaking extemporaneously, meta-ethically. We must be careful not to confuse our descriptive assessments with the variable (in this experiment)...

Yes. It is adopting pre-existing principles that are based on pre-existing nonmoral assessments. The adoption of principle places one in the role of j...

I disagree. But, if you can present an example of moral thought/belief that does not involve a judgement, I might better understand.

I'm not moving the goalposts. I keep them in view with every comment I make. I would say: "All things moral are about thought/belief about acceptable/...

And what is that? A common mode of thought/belief, that I say has a common function: judgement.

I don't know if we've established the plot firmly enough to even begin considering its worthiness for assent. Anyway, I see it as: Assessment is a pri...

Yes, we are exploring all potentially relevant variables. Only when we measure a variable against the constant can we determined its value. In such an...

That is prejudice - prejudgement. I would attribute that to moral feeling/intuition. Is robustness of sense a requirement?

It is time to review our previous talk on morality and prelinguistic thought/belief. I thought we had come to enough agreement to move on to sociologi...

If all moral thought/belief is about acceptable/unacceptable thought, belief, and/or behaviour, then it necessarily is about judgement, about ought. A...

If intellectual assessment is a primary function of linguistic thought/belief, I don't see how moral thought/belief cannot be founded upon it.

I'm making a distinction between thought/belief that is moral in kind (moral judgement about acceptable/unacceptable thought, belief, and/or behaviour...

I would go so far as to say the adoption of moral principle depends upon language acquisition, whereas assessment does not. All language that is acqui...

Not yet... but we are examining internalization and ethical authority, which are variables of societal conditioning.

I was referring to the existing individual who is directly concerned with the ethical.

Are you suggesting a hierarchy of ethical authority, or is it more complex?

@"creativesoul" Right now we are pursuing two threads: ethical authority and internalization. Judging by our overall framework, we are mostly on the r...

That's why I compared it to appropriation. The adoption of moral principle is founded on intellectual assessment. Appropriation implies that moral tho...

You lead. :grin: I would say that the morality of the relativist is self defeating , and a bad omen for the ethical authority. That is not to say, I d...

I was just positing the authority of the ethical authority to be absolute in relation to the pupil. That is due to the fact that he judges the ethical...

We could say, that early on in the development process of ethical indoctrination the roles are distinct. But as the ethical pupil matures, the roles b...

We should probably parse out what role principle plays in determining ethical authority. Wouldn't the ethical authority, who believed in relative mora...