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Excellent. :grin: That fits in perfectly with my current understanding. I have no objections.

Rules are indeed useful. This something friendly is part of social aptitude. Perhaps it is the ability to make oneself agreeable to alien thought/beli...

Well said. This places the utmost importance on being clear with respect the rules we are playing by. When we consider all the subconscious thought/be...

I like how you circled back onto the automatic stuff, subconscious thought/belief factors into everything we assert.

This touches on something creativesoul and I have discussed earlier on this thread - methodology and premise. I came to the conclusion that the founda...

Well put, the more we know, the less we know. This is why I embrace 'Socratic ignorance '.

Consciousness is a ship at sea. It cannot ever hope to fathom the depths of its necessity. But we might be able to go fishing, and catch some reasonab...

I second that. There is always a greater need for more reference to real world examples, nothing gives greater sense to video-game speech (just as vid...

All conscious moral thought/belief are founded on myriad, subconscious, nonmoral and moral assessments that are acquired through prior experience. The...

Ok, good. I'm glad we don't have to go over that again. :smile: Precisely! I'm glad you made these points explicit. :up:

@"Janus" I might call this primitive ethics. I have trouble understanding ape morality. :grin: Nevertheless, it does count as "moral-in-kind" I have p...

Under our criterion, it would be thought/belief about evolution, by which we could talk about evolution of thought/belief. It is very paradoxical.

What we need to do is discuss how morals arrive in prelinguistic thought/belief, both individually and culturally. How do we define the rule maker, an...

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I've been off the grid all day. I like the direction this discussion has taken. :up: There are some nice posts I want to address...

Their fascination is part of what makes them so convincing. These guys are original geniuses, the like of which we have never seen in our lifetimes. T...

Can you explain what you mean by "moral-in-kind" and "morality". What is it that unifies them, and in what ways are they different? I admit, I have ma...

Go on...I'm listening.

That's philosophy. Btw, we have worked out these misunderstandings numerous time throughout the course of this thread. Why would we assume this misund...

That is what I needed to hear. Do you not agree, that this distinction between moral-in-kind and morality is of essential importance here? We have bar...

By the way, I have retracted and re-assessed many claims I have previously made, based on your criticisms. Perhaps we need to review some of these con...

Then all you need to do is specify where my specific assertions are at odds with that groundwork, and I will gladly correct my mistakes. There has to ...

@"Janus" What is the ultimate source of morals...Strangelove! :razz:

That would only mean that I win. Sounds like a tragic outcome to me.

How dare you assume I'm astute, you inconsiderate bastard. :joke: Ok, just clarifying. So, we can say, that which is moral in kind is equivalent to: I...

That brings up a great point...how are we defining "moral in kind"? How does it differ from morality?

To begin, Hobbes was essentially an empiricist. But he slightly preceded Locke, who is considered the founder of empiricism. I do not mean to discount...

Well stated. Every generation contains it's own internal politics, and the eventual abandonment of tradition over time seems inevitable. That traditio...

Thanks! :grin: I appreciate your input, especially your original insights. :up:

I understand. TPF is a terrible distraction in my own life. :grin:

Hume's guillotine is invaluable. But as great and original a philosopher as he was, all his contributions amount to is material for discrediting empir...

As I see it, the moderns rehashed the ancient ideas into new terms. And in their unique cleverness, they created a bunch of fantastical problems.

@"Wayfarer" where are you?!?

:lol: nice point. That is why I prefer the ancient spirit in which there is no mediation. They bring it to your face, and if necessary, a hammer to th...

And most modern philosophy is constructed so as to adhere to scientific facts, given this, he was right to eliminate metaphysical and mystical concern...

As far as I'm concerned, every post made on this thread so far has been respectful and relevent. I'm actually very surprised at the direction this dis...

I am under the impression that he felt everything mystical and metaphical should be excluded from philosophy due to the vagaries of language they prov...

No big deal. :wink:

Was Epicurus stoic, I thought he was the founder of Epicurianism? Stoicism was Roman, Epicuras was Greek.

It's called "Provocations". You can find the pdf for free on Google.

Do you mean Epictetus? I doubt many on TPF have read 'The Discourses'.

Nietzsche and Kierkegaard. Where ever they agree, you can be certain it is Fire (fire of the gods).

Nice! So, do you think Witt. had an essential concern that transcended the great importance he placed on language?

An apt assessment. I think Nietzsche is a philosophical landmark. After him, philosophy began to lose its soul. Wittgenstein had crazy soul, but did e...

I'm open to your interpretation. But I feel his notion of human nature to be a bit too pessimistic, which is not to diminish his contributions. I put ...

I would say these were the ancients, everything preceding Descarte, and I'm open to call it even earlier. Everything deriving from Descartes has been ...

Hungry Hegelian Hippo...hey! That's what I was going to call the philosophical problem. Verdict: Wittgenstein, guilty. My question is: why can't philo...

:lol: On a side, I also think this problem is analogous to the atheist who discusses God.

Thanks. :up: That is very insightful. So, by the time of copernicus, it only took a tiny nudge to flip it all on its head. And we are dealing with its...

I don't see many philosophical problems prior to Cartesian philosophy. I am inclined to attribute all philosophical problems to modern philosophy. I a...