Merkwurdichliebe

Just tell us. Not everyone is as clever enough to distinguish them as you.

Anything reasonable can be maintained by careful ad Hoc. That is why all knowledge is relative.

Like: I agree.

Not when making nonlinguistic correlations.

Does correlation require predication?

And what happens when something that is thought to be directly perceptible is not perceived? Then there is the thought that it does not exist (percept...

Don't make it an ethical contest. :grin: Existence is attributed to things merely experienced. Making any distinction/correlation , linguistic or nonl...

Then maybe you can help me to get my point across. Existence is present at all levels of thought, linguistic or nonlinguistic.

Okay Terrapin Station. :cool:

Why? Because all thought pressuposes the existence of it's own content regardless of further qualification? But thought is not existence, and that is ...

Here is what I meant as the point of contrast: One without language can have existence in mind in any number of ways without ever having used the term...

Please, everything in brackets "" is me. Sorry, I assumed it to be obvious. I'm trying to understand this shit, and I'm attempting to show you that in...

And What about when nonlinguistic correlations don't pan out as expected? E.g. I see a riverbed in the distance, riverbed correlates with a source of ...

The former seems to merely be a medium of thought. The latter seems to be the practical application of thought, perhaps thought in action. The command...

I'm not a big fan of thinking about how nonhumans think...in fact, I think its fucking stupid. But I am aware of the evolutionary implications posited...

I can agree with that. I have been trying to really enter the core of nonlinguistic thought. At best, it seems to occurs as an immediate cognitive dis...

I would say, this is probably a function of 'thought' at some basic level, not 'language'. Language is a form into which thought can be mediated, and ...

Direct experience refers to the nondescript content that is mediated through perception into basic thought.

I'm totally willing to consider that point. The thing I can't get past, is the idea that there is some indication of cognitive activity occurring in c...

Even if nonlinguistic thought could hypothetically apprehend "existence" as some unnamed distinction/correlation, it cannot be identified as "existenc...

Wait a second. This needs to be further explained. How it is a tree not a "tree" in linguistic thought? The only way I can parse it is that no concept...

Even the theory of "languaging", right?

I think Nietzsche is best approached directly, and not through the interpretation of another. There are probably less than a handful of historic philo...

I would gladly contribute to that thread. I think you might get across to some people here on TPF. But be prepared for immense criticism from the know...

Yes, absolutely. And I have the ability to speak from other perspectives which are not compatible with my own personal beliefs. That means you will ne...

But I'm already there. :nerd:

That wasn't Nietzsche's meaning at all. It was much more fundamental. His point was that there is no necessary correspondence between direct experienc...

I am a philosopher, there is nowhere I won't go So let's do it.

That is a bold accusation. I always argue from the relativist perspective. And I mean always, in capital letters.

That kind of irony is very unnerving. :grin:

Could you elaborate?

I do. So then, round it off for me. Don't expect me to fill in the blanks, I haven't the means.

Does this mean... ...that the fundamental experience of the observer is reducible to behavioral gestures? That these gestures appear at any conceivabl...

Come again?

That is the essential difference to me. Linguistic thought has the potential to be communicated. Nonlinguistic thought does not. And, my personal opin...

Let me add... Language is the expression of concept. Language use is dependent upon language aquisition, which is dependent on conceptual abstraction....

Thought predicated on language use.

Interesting, please elaborate. This would mean the existence can be thought of independent of language.

They are anomalies. Nevertheless, capable of linguistic thought, simply through their natural capacity for conceptual abstraction. What about Helen Ke...

Thanks bud. This makes sense. My question is, how can we say the prelinguistic creature cannot think of "existence" as it does a "tree"? After all, th...

:up: Except for slapstick, real, effective humor has teeth. If a joke doesn't offend someone somewhere, it probably is not very funny.

Could you clarify this? Maybe rephrase it?

It is very reasonable to say that an animal could have a transient thought which might compel it to act. But it is hard to imagine that such primitive...

Actually, there is another way. We show a "holding onto thought" whenever we sustain a line of reason.

Then why did he say: ???

He might have said it better. But his point is well taken. That, unless a thought is held onto, thinking is as fleeting as sense experience.

I agree with almost everything you said here. In fact you are onto something good, maybe genius. But if your name is "creativesoul", then you need to ...

Nice! :cool:

That is a great point! For our purposes here, we could say that any thought that can be grasped or held can be called a concept. And any concept can b...

Could it be stated as: unicorns are existentially dependent upon fiction/imagination? (Add. That one is for @"creativesoul". :wink: See, I'm trying)