Brett

I’d be interested in knowing how you feel from chatting here. Has it been beneficial in any way?

No supernatural gods, no evidence, nothing, but they are ‘demonstrably’ less moral than humans?

You’ll need to explain that to me.

The op brought up the ‘the creative animal’, not ‘the artistic animal’. They’re two distinct beings to me. Someone mentioned my anthropological view. ...

I agree with this. This is why I ascribe so little value to it, and why I look on it as the remains of something that had reason to exist and was born...

But I wasn’t referring to you, unless you made that comment elsewhere.

Hubris: The idea that the artist can steer people towards seeing where adjustments need to be made in life, being or society. What adjustments, whose ...

Now I realise that the word I was looking for was not subjectivity but hubris. “ .. an artist can produce something that helps their audience to see w...

I just read this. Yes that’s true.

There seems to be the suggestion here that ‘the creative animal of today’ is the person who creates purely for the act of creating, without purpose ex...

I’m wasn’t referring to the creative process when I mentioned subjective. What I was viewing as subjective was your idea of results. But now I’m not s...

Love it.

This strikes me as being incredibly subjective. Change it to what, something you think should be? Edit: Unless of course you mean to make change only ...

Creating something is an act, an action. In its most basic form it might be described as producing something that did not exist before that point. Som...

You really do load these sentences: industrialists, slavery. It’s an agreed transaction between two entities. There’s a contract, payment, agreement. ...

I hate be contrary, but I would argue that’s when we are most creative. History would probably back me up. What you seem to be referring to is some st...

This inherent instinct for creating has died away in most people, starved by social structures, perhaps. Nowadays creating is carried out by professio...

This suggests that I think creation is problem solving, that someone perceives a problem and uses creativity to solve it. This is not accurate. My fee...

This I agree with. It’s probably reassuring to a lot of people. But it also strikes me as being the luxury of a society that can afford such things, w...

“To say that the work of a theoretical theorist is not valued for the actual product, i.e. a result, is ridiculous. Neither he nor his employer would ...

Our true creative capacity is unleashed. To do what? What is the result? Is it personal or universal?

What would run deeper than survival?

Your hubris is showing here. By this you seems to be saying that myself and others, as opposed to ‘us’, you, are not creative, otherwise we would unde...

I’m not using evolution theory to describe creativity. I’m suggesting it’s an evolutionary mechanism. “How does something come to be an effect of natu...

I don’t see what this has to do with individuals believing in something other than the material world.

:up:

Focusing on survival or productivity is being creative, it’s not counter to it. You seem to be intent in seeing survival and productivity as some evil...

A child playing with blocks is developing creativity.

There’s no survival purpose in this at all. I fact there’s no reason for doing it at all.

“Some friction”. What is that, how effective, what change is evident? You’re either competing against industry pros in their territory or you’re just ...

You’re correct there. I’ve been holding on to the term ‘value-use’ kudos used in the op. What I mean is a tangible benefit that enables a group, tribe...

I’m meaning a value that goes beyond personal. I think it’s a huge part of mankind’s evolution. Just as a Chimpanzee using a stick to get to ants is e...

What I’m trying to say (i think) is that the only true creative act today is one that has ‘value-use’, because creating is an instinct for survival. I...

Yes, absolutely. And it has, or is, ‘value-use’. So the creative act, and the creative animal today, works with ‘value-use’, as the creative act alway...

“New and different”. I don’t think different can be part of originality. If it’s different then it suggests something already existing to compare it t...

This is not true. The creative process in advertising, marketing etc., is driven by a) a brief, b) budget, c) market research, d) a deadline, e) the m...

Who is today’s creative animal? Not the ‘artists’.

This is partly what I’m trying to address, today’s creative animal. And this: This statement seems untrue to me. My point is that creativity is about ...

I’m not sure what you’re referring to here, what are the new forms of creativity that work against monetisation?

The position I’m developing in relation to this op is that the creative act, in its pure form, is (ironically) objective driven towards ‘use-value’. T...

So your answer is a fool and his money are easily parted.

Sure, but a different perspective of the universe?

I was trying to think of how what you’ve said relates to my own thoughts so far, because it threw me for a bit, that is the creative act in a business...

Man is a creative animal, all acts have a purpose or objective. Even if there existed frivolous acts they would die stillborn, their purpose would ris...

Why do you say so?

I’d be interested to see some proof of that statement. This is the same subjectivity that the post on art and elitism got bogged down in. ‘... a diffe...

I disagree with this. You would need to read my posts to see where I’m coming from, but creativity is a totally selfish act.

He wouldn’t have to consider giving it away. The.creative act itself inspires others: they imitate it. One day another Chimp might be inspired to take...

I’m not convinced that the two are separate entities, though there may be someone out there who could clear it up in a paragraph. The act of starting ...

I had thought this post was not about ‘art’ but about the ‘creative animal’. Not about producing art but of acting out the creative impulse which is s...