Brett

Sorry, I didn’t mean you personally. I was a bit casual about wording my post. Edit: what I meant was that if someone’s perception of art is from a my...

I understand this connection of spirit and consciousness to art, but it does nothing to help understand art and reduces it to mysticism. If your posit...

There are many things that exist that you will never see.

Is that your position, that what defines an artist changes over time? That someone like Michelangelo is no artist because we no longer regard him as a...

The only person I could find who posted that was yourself. However I think you misunderstand what I mean by the “accident” in art. It is not “accident...

If an artist who has carved out a successful space in the world makes a painting but doesn’t show it does that mean it’s not art?

I don't know what you mean here. Is it in response to the accident in art?

“ That wasn’t murder judge, that was art.”

So it’s art if I say so. That’s no definition.

Fighting in the streets between gangs is the same thing but it’s not art. Or is it?

Is that a statement or question? There is no concept of accidental art. Accidental art is a moment that happens unexpectedly and the artist is able to...

This presents a problem for me. Anyone can do it, any object will do, but it must have value and that value is determined by the artist. The problem t...

Interesting point though; realistic art is so much more approachable to people because they can interpret it through reason: technical skill, proporti...

And this is part of the problem, art and reason. If we do it by reason what are the markers we use in our reasoning? If I return to my analogy of the ...

And what’s the idea of art, something we know by reason or instinct? Secondly how do we know the artwork answers to it honestly, with integrity? ,

You might be getting at something I’m not picking up. But aren’t you just saying art is art? Art is that which answers to the idea of art.

So everyone and everything is an artist. And everything we produce is art. Is that it?

But art doesn’t always answer to the concept of art. That’s the problem. And it’s why we have suspicions about some art we regard as fraud, created by...

Do you mean by the concept the idea that we know art exists?

Isn’t that what we’re doing now, aren’t we your archeologist? If we’ve dug up The Venus of Willendorf how are we going to apply our reason, in what wa...

Define an artist.

So then, man does not produce art, something else does. That’s an interesting perspective.

Interesting point. Original and consequently unrecognisable as art. What then happens?

I go along with that as a way of approaching art, to a degree, and that it avoids the trap of cultural norms. But if it works and the archeologist res...

As I see this what you’re suggesting is that this approach cancels out a bias in what art is and is not, that the archeologist then approaches an arte...

I don’t think you can say any of these things are conscious of anything. Nor does it help in defining art. If being conscious was all that was require...

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Commonly known as “accidents”. But maybe not so accidental as the opening of the mind to the unexpected, a primitive action by any measure and somethi...

My feeling is that those artists at the top of the triangle are very instinctive creatures and quite primitive in their abilities: perceptions, respon...

I think there’s something to this instinct issue, that artists are instinctive animals, maybe primitive in their relationship with their surroundings.

So that suggests instinct plays a part in human art.

So art is instinct?

Why is the bird an artist?

Can you be sure that isn’t behind the design and construction of a car?

Explain where the art is and who created it.

How do you even know what the sub consciousness of a bird is like? That’s a big call. Edit: let alone an AI.

That seems to require definition first to me.

Yes, but some artists are better than others. Once again that doesn’t help in defining art.

So how does that help in defining art?

But why is that art? And decorate them? How.

That would also include all of humanity. So every person is an artist?

Then obviously art is human and only humans produce art.

There is no other art.

Why are they artists?

I don’t know who said this, nor do I agree. Art is a cultural artefact, but so is a car or mobile phone. So art is an artefact of a different nature. ...

I think the work is only about the man. It’s only the man that makes his work important in terms of art. What I mean is that it’s his life and persona...

But isn’t generational also cultural?

Yes, art probably moves faster than anything. In a way they’re iconoclasts but they recreate in the process. Which is sort of a lose but nice definiti...

It may not be noticeable. Edit: being a perfect replication of who they are, which is what?

Yes, see my edit.