Brett

By art?

They have no art, they purchase it. Edit: however it’s still real and reflects them.

All this is to back up part of my position that art is like the ripples from a stone tossed into a pond.

So by that point it was no longer genuine, and in fact may have already been commercialised and made irrelevant in the UK. Generally, I feel, by the t...

So would it be fair to say that art is almost an instantaneous artefact of a particular emerging culture, small or large.

Yes, and it was very imitative. So it didn’t really have the same roots or legitimacy as the UK or US. So like so much art it wasn’t a genuine reflect...

Yes, because there was a vast working class, unemployed, disenfranchised, angry culture that existed, had their own cultural references and felt its r...

What I meant was that their artwork is unconsciously formed by the temper of the times, which is cultural. I can’t imagine what else I could call the ...

I think there’s something there, because I believe that only humans produce art.

Obviously from my posts I don’t go along with that. Artists don’t create culture and culture doesn’t allow itself to be changed by anybody. If art cha...

My feeling is that art once held a vital part in man’s perception of the world, possibly beginning with the Lascaux cave drawings. In early tribal com...

I think it might be closer to the truth that artists, major game players, smashed definitions but never owned them.

I’ll have another go at this.

I don’t think that’s really a definition of anything. If you used that to explain art you’d have nothing. When artists talk about art they generally t...

That’s not very sporting of you @"Bartricks".

Oh, okay. I thought that was in reference to art movements and not art itself. My mistake.

And why is that false?

I’m interested to hear why it’s false and “ a bit gibberishly”.

Definitions are created by owners, not artists.

Art.

Of course. But they themselves and their ability to project reflect instantaneously their time, which can only be cultural. Post WWll art reflected th...

Art is a cultural mirror. Unconsciously or consciously it reflects, absolutely the state of the culture it springs from. When the trains of New York C...

@"Zelebg" is right, colour does not exist, only light.

Intolerance. The OP is the roots of racism.

I’ve had this many times, to the point where I begin to wonder if I’m making any sense at all. I’m never that positive I’m right anyway, but if someon...

Well I think you need to first decide what your primary objective might be. Then you decide how to reach it. Opening borders based on a moral position...

I think you’re coming from an ideological position here which I cannot challenge.

Thank you.

And it doesn’t need words to be what it is.

Do you mean “man” or “male”?

Why?

Yes and nature came before language. Words are an effort to categorise, but they’re not the thing. I’m sure there a more efficient argument than that ...

I know you think that and I don’t.

Best outcomes for South Africa was an end to apartheid. Best outcomes for women was getting the vote. Best outcomes for gays was legal marriage. Very ...

That’s because there is and nature has decreed it. However, if you now want to say that mind determines sex, and not nature, then go for it. People ca...

With “the right decision” I’m meaning the decision that leads to best outcomes. Is a moral position the best way to make a decision on, for example, o...

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So if someone lacked them but still felt they were a complete women then doesn’t this suggest that being a woman on that basis is a state of mind. Of ...

From what you say though, as it seems to me, boobs and vagina are essential, and if you don’t have them then you’re not a complete woman.

I’m guessing you mean you have an idea, a concept, of what a woman should look like, not in terms of beauty, but in terms of physical characteristics ...

That’s fine. So you agree that mind now determines sex, not chromosomes or nature.

But presumably you have not changed your chromosomes. You have changed your sex if it’s true that nature no longer determines sex but that the mind de...

I was thinking about how issues like the vote for women, black votes and gay marriage had been debated for some time before it happened, even if we ma...

It’s a pretty obscure idea as it stands.

I can’t make sense of that. Nor am I trying to define morality. What I’m trying to work out is whether open borders should be determined by a moral po...

Ignoring the possible consequences seems immoral. That’s why I wonder if it’s an idealistic position that cloaks itself in morality. Idealism rushes f...

Or is this just idealism driving morality?

That seems to be more a matter of ethics to me.

My OP is based on those who support open borders and hold a moral position on the subject. So the debate is not over whether morals exist, an interest...

In the demand for open borders I’m looking at in terms of being a moral position. So far I haven’t heard any particular objective coming from proponen...