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I don't think that Wittgenstein dismisses the inner sensation, but some people do think this is the case.

Once you come to understand that much or most of what people believe is a matter of psychology, which is to say, that beliefs, in general, are more in...

Thanks for the article. It raised some very interesting points. Yes, I agree with this.

Geez, these arguments over tokens and types are torturous. :lol:

Contradictions are about statements or propositions, reality itself is not contradictory. Contradictions only occur in language, i.e., when using conc...

Man, if you don't believe I'll just die. Just do a little more reading, and you too, will agree. lol

I am right, this is a common misunderstanding.

It's a misinterpretation of Schrodinger's cat to think the cat is both dead and alive. You can never observe the cat in both states. And, once you do ...

The measuring can happen in a variety of ways. It seems to be a kind of disturbance, conscious or otherwise. It's a disturbance of the wavefunction. T...

The idea that a belief is dependent on personal or subjective meaning is just nonsense. Meanings occur within a culture of rule-based linguistic use. ...

The electron is not in any state until it's measured, so there is no contradiction. One could think of it as the potentiality of states, or, there is ...

Yes, I noticed that too. Devitt seems to mischaracterize Wittgenstein, at least it seems that way from this statement. Positivism doesn't equate to Wi...

I read the SEP article, and if I was to align myself with anyone it would be Devitt. Truth it seems is a property of language (proposition claims). Ho...

Hell, some of Wittgenstein's comments confuse the hell out of me. They almost seem to break down at a certain point. I'm still learning Banno, maybe i...

Ya, I agree, how we refer to these experiences can be a bit muddled. However, I won't resort to saying your English is poor. :wink:

Sorry it took so long to respond. I think we generally agree, with some clarifications, or maybe some disagreement. Yes, I do agree that generally ".....

Philosophy uses philosophical methods of inquiry (logic, language, epistemology, etc) to analyze beliefs or belief systems. You can't escape philosoph...

"Hmm. Internal... you mean private? Something is amiss." It can't be completely private. What I mean by private is that it's me having the belief, jus...

Ya, I think you could include dancing, acting, meditation, etc, - which are outward expressions of the inner self. Of course, even language is an outw...

All of us participate in reality. However, what that participation amounts to is where the disagreement occurs. My use of belief is no more a retrojec...

For me, probably not Banno, there is a kind of mystical experience in poetry, music, art, and even prayer, that transcends language to a point, not co...

I think this is important, so I'll put my two cents worth into the mix. I believe there is something important to say about reality prior to language;...

I don't think we're going to make headway here. There's a sense where you are correct, viz., we do use the concept bad in a subjective sense, but we a...

It's not my opinion that the suffering is bad, my use of the word bad or immoral is directly connected to the objective truth of the statement that, "...

The "badness" IS the suffering. Not all suffering is bad, but when it comes to moral right and wrong, it's the objective harm done that gives it it's ...

I have no quarrel with the above post.

There is no way to resolve the many interpretations of Wittgenstein, because the interpretations are as varied as language itself. Even people who hav...

I gave you my response, now you're going to lecture me. If you don't like the way I respond move to a different thread.

I don't always have the time to respond to every post. Life just has a way of getting in the way of my responses. Sometimes I can put more effort into...

Sorry, I read that rather quickly, and didn't read it all. When I get a chance I'll read more closely. Life is getting in the way right now. I'm a bit...

I haven't really considered this before, I'll have to give it more thought. Thanks for the reply.

Did at any point I make such a claim? You didn't pay close attention to what I said over the course of this thread. You are correct, that "someone say...

Good points @"Banno" not just this quote, but that post is very well said. It would be interesting, in light of what's being debated about consciousne...

Not sure I follow this statement. I understand that we can say what we want, even if it's just babbling. However, the latter part of that sentence see...

I'm mystified as to why you come in these Wittgenstein threads, especially given that you see through the "sham of Wittgenstein." I'm genuinely curiou...

You are correct to think that Wittgenstein is talking about doubting one's pain in these passages, but there's a huge difference between these example...

It's difficult to follow what you're saying Isaac, because it's not that clear. On the one hand, you seem to agree about the use of the words sensatio...

@"Metaphysician Undercover" It should give you some pause if MU is on your side. Of course it could be that MU is right and everyone else is wrong, it...

Only me Banno, only me. :wink:

That's just the old problem of trying to identify some thing that corresponds to the word. Obviously, not all words function like that, and sensation,...

Ya, but when you say things like this, then you lose me. Also, you can't look at X, Y, and Z happening in the brain, and say, that's pain. Moreover, i...

@"Isaac" @"Luke" I haven't been following closely, but it seems to me that Isaac is really adding a new language-game to the mix based on new informat...

You don't have to go to another thread. I don't mind at all.

Why people believe what they do is much more complicated than one might imagine. There is a whole range of things that affect our beliefs (genetics, c...

We got way off topic, but that's fine.

My view is that another way we justify beliefs is by linguistic training, i.e., we learn how to use words. How do I know that that is a cup and that i...

Well, I would take issue with "that which we know by acquaintance is not of itself a belief - that in turn needs to be justified," because if we know ...

I'm familiar with knowledge by acquaintance, and I do believe that it falls under the umbrella of JTB. For me, JTB has a variety of uses, as seen in p...

You definitely have a unique way of interpreting Wittgenstein.

Wow, that's some statement. Now I understand how it is that you can make some of the statements you put forth.