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I understand that there are many specific notions and fictions tied together in different books of the Republic. And yes, it does lead to confusion. P...

If you say so. I clearly don't have the same degree or depth of knowledge or experience as you and @"Fooloso4" who has read, re-read, reflected and ta...

It is not an assumption but one interpretation out of many.

At this point, I think the class system as imagined by Plato is a fiction within a fiction tied up in a bow of confusion and contradiction. There are ...

At what cost are they regarded as equal? What are the criteria? Temporary sexual relations to perpetuate the guardian class. Children to be cared for,...

A fine thing to say. Easier said than done. We can only do our best...

You jumped from 602c to 608d. Did you not think the missing sections to be important as to an understanding and assessment of Book 10's value? You did...

@"Fooloso4"'s thread is doing well. I'm enjoying it immensely and have participated. However, I am a bit of a fraud, not having read Book10 in its ent...

Yes. A reflection of life. And how best to live it. In not reaching any definite conclusions, Plato shows us that philosophy is never-ending. Inner an...

Oh, spooky. Especially in the month of Halloween. Where's my blue witches hat...and cat...? A graveyard plot...? :fire:

Hah! Nice one. Channeling Trump's 'concept of a plan' for healthcare.

You raise interesting questions. We can also consider whether it is Socrates' or Plato's imagination based on What is and What could be? An Ideal stat...

Humans can and do express their feelings and thoughts from a distance - however, that is not to deny them any 'truth' as experienced. It is true that ...

You are way ahead of me, and better placed to have a supported view after a second read. I've been hovering around the Republic, hardly daring to ente...

You are not alone in hoping it will happen. However, like you, I'm not sure how able I will be if it does. I doubt I will write a story or poem, unles...

First of all thanks for starting the thread. I look forward to hearing more. It is, as you say, a response to Jamal's comment - a reply to my question...

Thanks for helpful response and best wishes. :flower:

Now to Go to Hell :fire: @"Paine" is to blame! :halo: Decades ago, I heard of Dante's Inferno when learning Italian but was never attracted to it. Sam...

Great to hear from you again! I can hardly believe that you could forget your stories in TPF. Because they, and others, have certainly impacted me. As...

Well. That should be interesting...but perhaps a bit of a spoiler? Strangely enough, I had thought to head to the end but decided not to. It might mea...

:up: Thanks again :smile:

Have I? Oh dear :yikes: That's what comes of not paying attention and reading carefully, I suppose. I think it is the idea of Simonides as an 'ideal p...

Yes, the transcript above pulled me in. As have you! I think I now want to explore Dante...perhaps later and elsewhere. :sparkle: The idea of a 'knowi...

Hmm. I'd have thought it would be the main conclusion. Plato never fails to perplex and surprise. I like weird. Later...

Thanks for further clarification and pointing out that: I didn't know that. So, just another 9 Books of the Republic to read ?! Are they worth the eff...

Believe it, or not, my post was not specifically addressed to you. I didn't want a re-hash of our 'previous', related to your story. It's unfortunate ...

Bridging the gap of time, space and person. Your poem is a tribute to @"Noble Dust". The poetry within his and many other TPF stories. The creative wo...

Poets and Tyrants. Toast and Easter eggs I've been enjoying Jamal's discussion and the discovery of 'literary easter eggs'. A different approach or an...

No, neither did I but it makes sense when you think about it. The factions of dissenting groups within a bigger organisation. The power struggles of p...

I'm curious. Does that mean your focus has now turned away from the 'literary easter egg'? Or what? I was intrigued by your novel and extraordinary ap...

Earlier, I referenced the powerful influence of poets. Perhaps understanding poetry as historical narrative in its social and personal context is pref...

I read the exchange and found it less than charitable. Indeed, a 'harsh 'reading. Perhaps rather than speculate and talk about impressions, read caref...

I agree. Thank you for explaining things further. The importance of poetry as a means to persuade has not always been apparent. Again, thanks for the ...

OK. Understood.

Who says that Cephalus is bad or contemptible? It is not the case that he leaves the debate the moment he gets a difficult question. He engages with S...

Thanks for further recommendations. Thanks for clarification. It seems I was misled by the title: Poets and tyrants in the Republic, Book I It seems t...

I searched for the free online version for ease of reading and using quotes. Reeve's approach seems sensible. From the Preface:

Thank you for starting this discussion. An exceptional OP with clear thoughts, quotes and sources. My first attempt at reading Plato's Republic was so...

Returning to this. My first attempt at reading Plato's Republic was some time ago. I think on the OnlinePhilosophyClub site. Even with help from @"Foo...

I couldn't bring myself to read the novel or watch the film. I do feel physically sick at such things, even in fiction. But perhaps it's time. To get ...

Yes, I know that politics globally is scary and sickening. I read this: https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/03/international-system-unfit-to-d...

Thanks for clarification and providing more food for thought. Who best to rule the world? Why Vera, of course :wink: Oh dear. An unfortunate reminder ...

Tolerance can be intolerable. The tolerant can be destroyed by the intolerant. Interesting when it comes to 'open dialogue'. So often closed down by t...

The trouble is when religious 'pro-life' or 'anti-abortion' activists push their 'dialogue' outside abortion clinics. This adds danger to an already f...

I'm coming late to this discussion. So, apologies if I'm going over old ground. But @"180 Proof"' s post caught my eye. Absolutely spot on! And I'm no...

Thank you. Take care :flower:

@"180 Proof" and @"Fooloso4" - Never mind. It all seems quite pitiful, now. Thanks to all who have participated. Stay well :sparkle:

Well. Where to start. I don't think it unusual for people to wonder as to the benefits of Philosophy as an academic discipline. Been discussed many ti...

Never mind, eh. If I had the time I'd go looking for a song set in the South of France sung by a Welshman with a hiccup...

:lol: Were you singing at the time?